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Would you play a gig with a Confederate Flag?

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Q. Would you play a gig with a Confederate Flag?

A. It would never even become a factor for me. No one who proudly displays a Confederate flag would ever have any interest in hiring me or any group of players with whom I might be involved, based on the genre(s) and style(s) of music I'm into.

It would just be way over the head of the average redneck... :rollno:

MM
 
#102
Pajama_Bottoms said:
You see, one was a heritage-obsessed state that propagated ideas of eugenics and racial superiority and used structural and economic problems as casus belli for starting a war and whose supporters, realizing the unpopularity of their thoroughly failed and defeated ideology, continue to use its symbols but lack the courage and basic intellectual honesty to admit what those symbols mean.

The other was Nazi Germany.
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Well put sir.
 
#104
Back in the day in Europe we played 2 gigs for a decent-paying promotor on 2 on the surface innocent enough festivals where the vibe struck us the first time as kinda weird and the second time as definitely not right in a shady extreme-right wing kind of way. Never played with that promotor again, and good thing too as i later learned the guy also had done time for trading in child porn video cassettes. Uuuuuugh....

I suppose you could look past the flag and try and find out what the people who booked you really are about. That they want it seen at all times to the point that you are not allowed to hang up your own banner, I would take that as a giveaway, frankly.
 
#105
I know a couple of other Canadians have commented but I will chime in too.

It is interesting to read the racism debate being an outsider.

I have never actually thought.....oh that's a racist flag. I have always thought that it is the rebel flag of the southern states. I am not sure if "everyone" in Canada would see it as a racist flag, not that it matters in this situation. The slavery was one part of why the civil war happened, not the sole reason, so in my mind I guess that's why I don't instantly equate it to slavery and racism.

While maybe similar after reading this thread....the Nazi flag is a whole other deal. That is a symbol of pure evil and demagoguery. To me you cannot look at a Nazi flag and not know this.
 
#106
teleharmonium said:
That's true. It's also true that later, Southern racists (or as they preferred to be called, segregationists) mostly abandoned the Democrats in favor of the Republicans after the Dems included a civil rights plank in their 1948 platform and later passed the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act.
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Please stop it with the distortion that the Civil Rights Movement was dominated by Democrats. It was not. In fact, Republicans voted for these acts in greater proportions than did Democrats. Moreover, the Jim Crow South was dominated by the Democrat not Republican Party.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-says-gop-fought-hard-civil-rights-bills-196/

And, no, they did not abandon the Democrat Party in 1948. Even as late as the middle 1980s in my hometown of Tampa, Florida (hardly a one horse town), there still was not even an organized Republican Party operating at all! I know because I tried to join but here was nothing to sign up for!
 
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Crazyeelboy said:
What's more, it was Republicans who pushed the Civil Rights Act through and did away with Jim Crow.
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This was discussed earlier in the thread... not sure if you intended some special meaning with the semantics of "pushed through", there were Republican votes for it, and good for them, but in fact there were more Democratic yes votes.

The same is actually true of the no votes, because the Dems had a large majority in Congress at the time (which they soon lost as the segregationists left the party en masse).
 
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Crazyeelboy said:
Please stop it with the distortion that the Civil Rights Movement was dominated by Democrats. It was not. In fact, Republicans voted for these acts in greater proportions than did Democrats. Moreover, the Jim Crow South was dominated by the Democrat not Republican Party.
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I will not stop, because what I'm saying is right, it was dominated by Democrats. They had more yes votes, and in a vote, that's what it means to dominate.

"Proportions" are a different matter. It's real simple, though - the segregationist vote was pretty much entirely consisting of Southern white voters. The Republican party had little Congressional representation of these voters in 1964, so obviously they wouldn't have a lot of no votes. They did have their share, of course - mostly in their members from Southern states as you would expect.

However, shortly thereafter, they would take and keep a majority of Congressional seats in the South, thanks to Nixon's "Southern Strategy".
 
#110
The level of ignorance on this thread is without peer. To wit: The American eugenics movement was rooted in the biological determinist ideas of Sir Francis Galton, which originated in the 1880s. This is the Social Darwinist theory that has supposed roots on the right. The fact that it was promoted famously by Margaret Sanger, Richard Ely, and Woodrow Wilson disprove that assertion.

Good thing I avoid politics on bass guitar boards and vice versa.

I believe that we should banish all symbols or words that anyone anywhere finds offensive. That way we might have a much smaller vocabulary.

If they pay me to play, I will. Anyone anywhere can photo-shop any symbol into a picture nowadays.
 
#112
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.............
That's just my two-cents on the subject!

We are ignoring the real issue here..... let's just say that you decided to play the gig....... would you use a J or a P? Discuss!
 
#114
First off as far as the democrips VS rebloodlicans... it's all the same... they pretend to be opposition on the mainstream media but in the end they are sipping tea snorting coke off hookers asses together in the same room. The two party system is an illusion.

Secondly why would they not let you cover the flag? I would be concerned more that they wouldn't let you have the option to cover it... at gigs we go to they allow us to put our own banner up. So why is this place so die hard on keeping there flag showing? I would be questioning the intentions of the owners of the bar. I wouldnt want to play somewhere that they are intentionally trying to promote racism or something....
 
#116
This argument of which political party contributed more to the passing of the Civil Rights act is so petty and partisan it's ridiculous. Both sides here apparently agree that the act was a good thing, so they are in agreement on the moral issue. What they disagree on is the party that was primarily responsible for the act's passage.

I think this is a really trivial argument because:

1.) Both parties had substantial shares of members who supported the bill.

2.) The labels "Republican" and "Democrat" mean something completely different now than they did 50 years ago, 140 years ago.
 
#117
It must be part of the vibe of that particular establishment
which would be worrisome to me.

I would not play in front of that flag, but then I get nervous anywhere south of the Mason Dixon line.
 
#120
This is a tough call.

I can remember once being asked to play a benefit for a politician, whose name and affiliations shall remain anonymous. It didn't matter to me: Music and politics are two separate issues to me, and I intend to keep it that way. I don't like the risk of having my personal reputation damaged by some politician's bad choices, so I stay very neutral and never mix it up with my music. You never know what kind of problems that could cause in the future.

This is almost the same thing. Although it's more like a part of the bar and its image, a backdrop like a wall decoration. But any pics of you standing there will hit a raw nerve with some folks, and this can not be denied.

Tough call...

chuck norriss said:
A place with a confederate flag doesn't deserve my presence.
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Yeah, I'd have to agree, if you feel this strongly about it, avoid the place altogether. If the many potential ramifications don't bug you, it's a moot point.
 
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