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Yamaha Attitude LTD II, should I send it back?

Yeah that bass has lived a hard life. I've played hundreds of Yamaha basses. Say what you want about tone. Their build quality is amazing. And every single one feels just like the next one of the same model. And I have NEVER seen bad frets on a single one.

Send it back.
I'm with TF on this. I've played a lot of Yamahas, and this is way outside of their production tolerance. Something bad happened to it. I can't tell if was NOS from a dealer or if you bought it privately. Either way, it looks to have water damage on the neck.
 
This was one of my favorite moments from my early electric bass journey. It's not an Attitude, but he plays with attitude.


My Billy Sheehan moment was when this Tony McAlpine collaboration track showed up as one of those flimsy records they used to put inside of magazines. This one was in a Guitar Player from about 1985 IIRC. I used to listen to the bass solo over and over again. It was too early for him to have recorded it on an Attitude bass; I have no idea what it was.

 
I don't know how rare those are or how much they normally go for. $200 back will get you a setup and fret leveling. Do you think there is more than $200 worth of work to get it where you want it? If so send it back.

A fret level and setup would be $0 for me because I'd do them myself, but the neck just doesn't look right. Frankly I'm glad he didn't jump at my offer of $300 refund yesterday when we spoke -- it needs to go back. I keep pristine instruments, this one just isn't there.

You'll probably never be happy with it even if it's restored. And with $1300 (or even $1100) in already you'd be throwing good money after bad to do it.

Return.

This is true.

20 years, you sure?

I only buy from US sellers for a variety of reasons, but mostly just to make the return process easier if need be. I've seen a bunch from Japan though! This was, even, was on consignment from a seller in Japan.

Hmmm.

I'll go against the grain here. If it's a bass that doesn't come for sale often and I really wanted one, the issues described would not bother me. Setup/fret levelling is nothing to worry about. Those frets seem to have a lot of life in them... get it all cleaned out, do the frets and get it set up properly to your taste and it will play as well as you want it. The only thing that *potentially* would bother me is the marks that you say look like water/rust under the lacquer... but it doesn't look like something that is likely to give you trouble. It won't be a pristine bass, but it can be a great bass to play. You decide. I'd take the $200 and get on with cleaning and setting up the thing. I've had old instruments with lacquered maple fingerboards that were a lot dirtier/more damaged than that and played beautifully.

I don't mind fret leveling, but I can't do that properly on a twisted neck, and this one doesn't look right. Not worth the trouble for me.

Just to be clear, you bought this used and new this was likely $2K+ right? I would see how much he would be willing to give you back (if any more than he already offered) to get some of the issues corrected before sending it back. And I would be on the phone to my tech to see what he would charge to make the repairs before deciding.

Fret level + setup would cost me $0. Seller isn't interested in more than a $200 refund, I offered to keep it for a $300 refund. I'm glad he didn't accept that offer last night when we chatted because my gut says to send it back!

New, these were $1499, then they raised them to $1799. But that's 20 years ago. The version 3 is $2600 new.

I'm with TF on this. I've played a lot of Yamahas, and this is way outside of their production tolerance. Something bad happened to it. I can't tell if was NOS from a dealer or if you bought it privately. Either way, it looks to have water damage on the neck.

Consignment sale from a seller in Japan. I agree, something not right.

Rusty Frets? Water Damage? Discoloring? Only $200 Refund? Sounds like I'd be sending it back with a request for a full refund on shipping and the bass.

I'll be out $50 for the return shipping but I'll get my original $1300 back.
 
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Hmmm.

I'll go against the grain here. If it's a bass that doesn't come for sale often and I really wanted one, the issues described would not bother me. Setup/fret levelling is nothing to worry about. Those frets seem to have a lot of life in them... get it all cleaned out, do the frets and get it set up properly to your taste and it will play as well as you want it. The only thing that *potentially* would bother me is the marks that you say look like water/rust under the lacquer... but it doesn't look like something that is likely to give you trouble. It won't be a pristine bass, but it can be a great bass to play. You decide. I'd take the $200 and get on with cleaning and setting up the thing. I've had old instruments with lacquered maple fingerboards that were a lot dirtier/more damaged than that and played beautifully.
Worst case scenario, one day, years down the line, you decide to get it refinished... I had my Stingray neck cleaned and lightly sanded to remove all the marks, then lacquered (I prefer lacquer to the original oil finish), for around $200. Not a big deal for an instrument that is my #1 and will keep (in principle) forever.

Yeah, I'd keep it. It's a beauty and quite a special bass that one.

The problem, to me, is not the frets... it's the cause of the frets being unlevel. The indications of water damage IN THE WOOD of the neck, combined with uneven frets on a bass that was 100% I guarantee it Plek'd at the factory, and you now have a recipe for unreliable frets and strange neck issues in the future.

It MIGHT be just fine... and if it was ... let's say... $700... I'd keep it and make a go of it.

But come on $1,300? Then sure, $1,100... but still... for that money they should have done the fretwork before they put it up for sale.
 
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A fret level and setup would be $0 for me because I'd do them myself, but the neck just doesn't look right. Frankly I'm glad he didn't jump at my offer of $300 refund yesterday when we spoke -- it needs to go back. I keep pristine instruments, this one just isn't there.



This is true.



I only buy from US sellers for a variety of reasons, but mostly just to make the return process easier if need be. I've seen a bunch from Japan though! This was, even, was on consignment from a seller in Japan.



I don't mind fret leveling, but I can't do that properly on a twisted neck, and this one doesn't look right. Not worth the trouble for me.



Fret level + setup would cost me $0. Seller isn't interested in more than a $200 refund, I offered to keep it for a $300 refund. I'm glad he didn't accept that offer last night when we chatted because my gut says to send it back!

New, these were $1499, then they raised them to $1799. But that's 20 years ago. The version 3 is $2600 new.



Consignment sale from a seller in Japan. I agree, something not right.



I'll be out $50 for the return shipping but I'll get my original $1300 back.
Ok. That stinks. Ive wanted an Attitude too because i would like a "P bass on steroids", and I have no doubt they are great basses. But they have gotten expensive. More than I would pay for a P bass (which is not usually "my sound"...but it would be good to have in the arsenal). Thought about converting my Fender P/J into a "wife replica" by plugging up the J hole, routing for the woofer and putting in Dimarzio pups.
 
Got It ! ! ! It fell in that pool ! !

Seriously, send it back, if for no other reason, that you're in it for at least $1100 as-is, an who knows how much more to bring it into airworthiness, it's too much for that. Plus, in your heart of hearts I can tell you will NEVER trust it, so that would 86 it for me right there.

Keep your eyes peeled. You buy this sled, and next month, I PROMISE you, there will be one on Reverb or somewhere else that will be dead-mint, and you'll never speak to yourself again . . . . .
 
Hive mind, should I send this back?

I bought this on Friday, pumped because they rarely come available. For two decades I've wanted the seafoam green version for mostly nostalgic reasons. Anyway, I paid $1300 all-in, but my gut tells me to send this one back and keep waiting (maybe another 20 years!). What would you do?

Problems:
1. Needs a fret level. There are multiple high frets, buzzing all over the place. Currently unplayable.
2. Needs a general setup
3. P-pickup needs new foam; currently it's flat against the body, maybe 2mm off the pickguard all the way across, 5mm from the strings. From the factory the strings are *really* close to the pickup so obv something was changed there.
4. Frets are rusty
5. Water damage under the lacquer on the fretboard (or at least, looks that way)
6. Woofer cover is yellowed, looks bad compared to the pickguard

I'm perfectly comfortable doing fret levels and setups and whatever else, but ultimately I'm concerned the instrument won't play like it was meant to play. He offered me a $200 refund which would put me at $1100 all-in (with OHSC). Would you keep it, knowing you can fix most (but not all) of the issues, or just wait and spend more on one in better condition?


I think what happened is there was water somewhere at some point, and that water got under those frets and mildew (or whatever) spread from under the fret into the wood (under the lacquer). This is logical to me because you can kind of see a "comb" pattern in the discoloration, which matches the fret barbs that go into the wood. Based on the rust on the frets and on the case and such, it just points to some incident with water. But obviously that's just conjecture.

Buzzing is pretty bad on frets 1-7, especially the E/G and double especially the G. Most of the frets from 8-13 are bad, 14 is awful, and 15 and up is all fine. My fret rocker confirms that 7, 10, 15 and 16 are high, which is consistent with the water theory from earlier -- could be that they weren't seated all the way all along and water/moisture got under there a bit easier.

From what I can tell this bass was never really played... the fret crowns are in great shape other than the rust, and they're probably original considering from the factory they use jumbo frets from 1-16 and medium frets from 17-21 , which is what's there. It really just seems like somebody bought this and put it somewhere damp for 20 years and didn't realize anything was going wrong with it. Also the nut doesn't seem correct to me... I suspect maybe it was replaced at some stage because it's not radiused correctly and the nut slots are in slightly the wrong spot, but maybe it came like that, I have no idea.

Additionally but not terrible is that I have a suspicion that the foam under the p-pickup is either missing, damaged, or ruined. Normally a p-pickup from the factory is setup in a "^" shape, meaning the poles under the A and D are higher than the E and G. The pickup on this instrument is completely flat, which makes no sense. I suspect an issue with the foam because there's no give in the pickup -- normally there's a bit of springy action.

None of that is a big deal for a project bass... But that's too much money for a project in my opinion.
 
Hive mind, should I send this back?

I bought this on Friday, pumped because they rarely come available. For two decades I've wanted the seafoam green version for mostly nostalgic reasons. Anyway, I paid $1300 all-in, but my gut tells me to send this one back and keep waiting (maybe another 20 years!). What would you do?

Problems:
1. Needs a fret level. There are multiple high frets, buzzing all over the place. Currently unplayable.
2. Needs a general setup
3. P-pickup needs new foam; currently it's flat against the body, maybe 2mm off the pickguard all the way across, 5mm from the strings. From the factory the strings are *really* close to the pickup so obv something was changed there.
4. Frets are rusty
5. Water damage under the lacquer on the fretboard (or at least, looks that way)
6. Woofer cover is yellowed, looks bad compared to the pickguard

I'm perfectly comfortable doing fret levels and setups and whatever else, but ultimately I'm concerned the instrument won't play like it was meant to play. He offered me a $200 refund which would put me at $1100 all-in (with OHSC). Would you keep it, knowing you can fix most (but not all) of the issues, or just wait and spend more on one in better condition?


I think what happened is there was water somewhere at some point, and that water got under those frets and mildew (or whatever) spread from under the fret into the wood (under the lacquer). This is logical to me because you can kind of see a "comb" pattern in the discoloration, which matches the fret barbs that go into the wood. Based on the rust on the frets and on the case and such, it just points to some incident with water. But obviously that's just conjecture.

Buzzing is pretty bad on frets 1-7, especially the E/G and double especially the G. Most of the frets from 8-13 are bad, 14 is awful, and 15 and up is all fine. My fret rocker confirms that 7, 10, 15 and 16 are high, which is consistent with the water theory from earlier -- could be that they weren't seated all the way all along and water/moisture got under there a bit easier.

From what I can tell this bass was never really played... the fret crowns are in great shape other than the rust, and they're probably original considering from the factory they use jumbo frets from 1-16 and medium frets from 17-21 , which is what's there. It really just seems like somebody bought this and put it somewhere damp for 20 years and didn't realize anything was going wrong with it. Also the nut doesn't seem correct to me... I suspect maybe it was replaced at some stage because it's not radiused correctly and the nut slots are in slightly the wrong spot, but maybe it came like that, I have no idea.

Additionally but not terrible is that I have a suspicion that the foam under the p-pickup is either missing, damaged, or ruined. Normally a p-pickup from the factory is setup in a "^" shape, meaning the poles under the A and D are higher than the E and G. The pickup on this instrument is completely flat, which makes no sense. I suspect an issue with the foam because there's no give in the pickup -- normally there's a bit of springy action.

Absolutely YES on sending it back for items 1, 5, & 6 at the very least.
 
Hive mind, should I send this back?

I bought this on Friday, pumped because they rarely come available. For two decades I've wanted the seafoam green version for mostly nostalgic reasons. Anyway, I paid $1300 all-in, but my gut tells me to send this one back and keep waiting (maybe another 20 years!). What would you do?

Problems:
1. Needs a fret level. There are multiple high frets, buzzing all over the place. Currently unplayable.
2. Needs a general setup
3. P-pickup needs new foam; currently it's flat against the body, maybe 2mm off the pickguard all the way across, 5mm from the strings. From the factory the strings are *really* close to the pickup so obv something was changed there.
4. Frets are rusty
5. Water damage under the lacquer on the fretboard (or at least, looks that way)
6. Woofer cover is yellowed, looks bad compared to the pickguard

I'm perfectly comfortable doing fret levels and setups and whatever else, but ultimately I'm concerned the instrument won't play like it was meant to play. He offered me a $200 refund which would put me at $1100 all-in (with OHSC). Would you keep it, knowing you can fix most (but not all) of the issues, or just wait and spend more on one in better condition?


I think what happened is there was water somewhere at some point, and that water got under those frets and mildew (or whatever) spread from under the fret into the wood (under the lacquer). This is logical to me because you can kind of see a "comb" pattern in the discoloration, which matches the fret barbs that go into the wood. Based on the rust on the frets and on the case and such, it just points to some incident with water. But obviously that's just conjecture.

Buzzing is pretty bad on frets 1-7, especially the E/G and double especially the G. Most of the frets from 8-13 are bad, 14 is awful, and 15 and up is all fine. My fret rocker confirms that 7, 10, 15 and 16 are high, which is consistent with the water theory from earlier -- could be that they weren't seated all the way all along and water/moisture got under there a bit easier.

From what I can tell this bass was never really played... the fret crowns are in great shape other than the rust, and they're probably original considering from the factory they use jumbo frets from 1-16 and medium frets from 17-21 , which is what's there. It really just seems like somebody bought this and put it somewhere damp for 20 years and didn't realize anything was going wrong with it. Also the nut doesn't seem correct to me... I suspect maybe it was replaced at some stage because it's not radiused correctly and the nut slots are in slightly the wrong spot, but maybe it came like that, I have no idea.

Additionally but not terrible is that I have a suspicion that the foam under the p-pickup is either missing, damaged, or ruined. Normally a p-pickup from the factory is setup in a "^" shape, meaning the poles under the A and D are higher than the E and G. The pickup on this instrument is completely flat, which makes no sense. I suspect an issue with the foam because there's no give in the pickup -- normally there's a bit of springy action.

pass.
 
The problem, to me, is not the frets... it's the cause of the frets being unlevel. The indications of water damage IN THE WOOD of the neck, combined with uneven frets on a bass that was 100% I guarantee it Plek'd at the factory, and you now have a recipe for unreliable frets and strange neck issues in the future.

It MIGHT be just fine... and if it was ... let's say... $700... I'd keep it and make a go of it.

But come on $1,300? Then sure, $1,100... but still... for that money they should have done the fretwork before they put it up for sale.

Yeah, that's true: *if* the neck is compromised. I'd have to have it in front of me to judge. However, bottomline with these things for me is... if in doubt, pass. Can I change my vote? ;)
 
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