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"You can't play chords on bass"

Yeah, no problem going back to a more linear simpler bass line after doing chording versions - I think it helps my linear playing, too, because figuring out playable chord positions gives you that many more tools for interesting arpeggios. Great for learning the neck too.
To me, the beauty of any arrangement/comping is all about that non-clashing(!) tight integration of all participating instruments - band members/team players supporting the song and providing the correct mood, character, feel, etc...
One of my pet peeves is to hear some unnecessary “show offs” played even by good musicians.
Now, after you separate your chording backup, check if there’s any possibility to switch rhythmic notes between the bass and guitar. Maybe there are some notes/phrasing that could be played in unison (different intervals)?
 
I learned a lot from jamming 1 on 1 with a drummer I know and since I was the only instrument I learned a technique that had to fill all the space to keep it interesting. So I tend to play a lot of double-stopped inverted 5th chords on the top two strings above a more typical rhythmic bass line on the bottom two. I'll do this low down on the neck, but I play with a pick and usually have my tone fairly middy-to-trebly, and I don't usually play the bass notes and the chords on the same beats but rather match my bass notes with the kick-drum (or complimentary to it) and then put the chords on accent hits on cymbals or the snare. I'll still do this in a band setting; I play with a guitarist and occasionally a keyboardist which means I have to pay attention to what they're doing and not compete or clash with their chords, but generally root-fifths are okay and if I can find where they're putting 3rds and 7ths I'll go for it.

What I do a lot more in the band, because I tend to be a little bit of the musical leader, is I'll play big chords by letting notes I play sustain over the top of each other. That way I show the guitarist exactly what key and progression I'm going for, and it can be really gorgeous and huge sounding. I've found that if you attack each chord tone separately it helps avoid a lot of the mud even if you're playing lower down and with a warmer tone. It's very organ-esque. Other times, for loud rock stuff, if the guitarist wants to solo I'll play a rhythm guitar part up on the top 3 strings around 12th fret to be able to get chords that fill up both bass and guitar space well without being too muddy.

The final trick I use a lot is keeping the harmonic overtone series in mind. Bass guitar plays a lot more note per note than guitars. Each low note we play (not so much past ~7-12 fret on the higher strings) will octave itself, plus sound the fifth in that octave above fairly loudly, depending on how you attack the notes. There's more, but after that fifth they fade away enough I don't really give consideration to it. Those first two overtones really affect your sound though; it's like every note a bassist plays, if they're tone is middy-trebly enough to show it, is an inverted power-chord. If you know how all the fifth intervals in your scale or key relate to each other you can play full, massive sounding, 4-note chords by picking just two notes.
 
Then I was like "WOW" when I figured out what you were doing. Mad respect for anyone who can play and sing cause I cannot.
And thanks particularly for this part - I'll admit on most of my previous efforts, I "cheated" and overdubbed the vocal parts after rather than playing and singing live concurrently. I didn't have my rig set up for both channels, switched mics and this was my first attempt at recording both parts live to separate tracks. Nice regular fingerpicking and chord pattern really helps for singing over. I find singing over normal bass lines difficult at times because of the rhythmic syncopation between the two, which can take a long time for me to work out. Singing over a regular pattern is much easier for me. Glad this worked out as well as it did, though the more I listen the more I wish I'd used the click track, bad timing. I only put it together, from memory, about half an hour before recording it, but I was familiar with the chords I used from my previous couple of efforts, also in Em. Another key would have taken far longer to work out.

Anyway thanks for the encouragement and pointers for further study, everyone!
 
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Technically speaking you can chord harmonically, all the notes at once- or melodically, arpeggios being an example of that. Bass players have been 'chording' for decades. In the 70's it became a clichè, the major 10th- finger for instance a low g (3rd fret E string), and play a b on the g string at fret 4, and you have a major 10th, you can move it all up and down the neck. You hear that for instance on "Shining Star" from Earth Wind and Fire. The tritone is real common on bass too, play 12th fret d string and 13th fret g string. Play a 4 note tritone stack- index finger 12th fret e string- middle finger 13th fret a string- ring finger 14th fret d string- pinky15th fret g string. You can shift that up and down the neck too!
 
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Why don't you pick up a guitar and play those comping chords? :help: :speechless:
Hard to switch if you're playing live solo (what I'm aiming for). Also useful in jamming with few partners (say, just a percussionist or a flute or something, whoever happens to show up situations). Though I wouldn't mind doing a version with the guitar part too, if I could learn it. But nothing wrong with doing it all on bass either, that's what I'm after.
 
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I'll add that I have hopes for learning to do proper jazz comping on guitar some day too, but starting on bass is both "nearer and dearer" and easier and more comfortable than on guitar. Also better suited to my vocal range, obviously, I'm off the low end of the guitar half the time anymore. ;)
 
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Hard to switch if you're playing live solo (what I'm aiming for).

In order to comment more precisely, I need to see your "vision" about "playing live solo".
In short. Just strumming chords on the bass like the guitar players do - it's kind of boring/too trivial to me.
A bass player should try something "more interesting" in order to avoid my comments like, "why don't you play the guitar?".
I think we need to "separate" two similar but different roles of the bass player -
1. As an Instrumentalist,
and
2. As an Accompanist.

As soon as you figure out which one you wanna be in this or that song/composition - it will be easier to decide.
 
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I'll add that I have hopes for learning to do proper jazz comping on guitar some day too, but starting on bass is both "nearer and dearer" and easier and more comfortable than on guitar. Also better suited to my vocal range, obviously, I'm off the low end of the guitar half the time anymore. ;)

Check this article/book:

THE ART OF ACCOMPANYING THE JAZZ VOCALIST:
A SURVEY OF PIANO STYLES AND TECHNIQUES

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Also, take a look at this article "The essential of Piano Chords".
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It will help you to determine/emphasize "more important/more valuable" chord notes to play.
A simple example of playing Cmaj7.

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In order to comment more precisely, I need to see your "vision" about "playing live solo".
In short. Just strumming chords on the bass like the guitar players do - it's kind of boring/too trivial to me.
A bass player should try something "more interesting" in order to avoid my comments like, "why don't you play the guitar?".
I think we need to "separate" two similar but different roles of the bass player -
1. As an Instrumentalist,
and
2. As an Accompanist.

As soon as you figure out which one you wanna be in this or that song/composition - it will be easier to decide.
I think exploring one approach helps with the other, honestly, at least it seems to be opening things up for me. But yes, I see what you mean, different paths to explore.

Another example on the related sonic palette might the power trio - I think some of what Jack Bruce did with Cream is related (filling both bass and rhythm roles when Eric went off soaring into the stratosphere, though Eric generally played rhythm while Jack was singing).
 
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I think exploring one approach helps with the other, honestly, at least it seems to be opening things up for me. But yes, I see what you mean, different paths to explore.

Another example on the related sonic palette might the power trio - I think some of what Jack Bruce did with Cream is related (filling both bass and rhythm roles when Eric went off soaring into the stratosphere, though Eric generally played rhythm while Jack was singing).

"Cream were a 1960s(!!!) British rock power trio consisting of drummer Ginger Baker, guitarist/singer Eric Clapton and bassist/singer Jack Bruce."

A lot of things changed since then, unless you want to dedicate your musical career to some "Historical reenactment" of Cream...
 
"Cream were a 1960s(!!!) British rock power trio consisting of drummer Ginger Baker, guitarist/singer Eric Clapton and bassist/singer Jack Bruce."

A lot of things changed since then, unless you want to dedicate your musical career to some "Historical reenactment" of Cream...
Nah, just another flavor in the mix that I happen to like. Adding everything that happened before and since, too, and see where it all leads, no particular order or priority. I wish I were talented enough to do a Cream cover band, though, sure, there are lots of possible things in life that would suck way more than that! (If I ever had 1/100th of the talent haha.)
:woot:
 
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