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Your thoughts on AI. No arguments, just opinions.
- Thread starter Robot.G
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Humans in control of a tool with great power history proves disaster is unavoidable. Considering as a species Humans have never proven to be moral or just plus Human's greed for power & wealth the outcome will be as corrupt as Humans beings are unfortunately.
Which means a Cyberdyne type company with ties to a powerful nation leading us down a path to self-awareness isn't only a possibility for Sci-Fi movies. I've been in IT for over 35 years so I'm not anti-technology but seeing the potential for misuse is beyond obvious Just ask any 3rd world nation about its plight morals and self-control goes out the window when power and wealth possibilities abound. Just my 2cents.
Which means a Cyberdyne type company with ties to a powerful nation leading us down a path to self-awareness isn't only a possibility for Sci-Fi movies. I've been in IT for over 35 years so I'm not anti-technology but seeing the potential for misuse is beyond obvious Just ask any 3rd world nation about its plight morals and self-control goes out the window when power and wealth possibilities abound. Just my 2cents.
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We sent our singer a bunch of selfies and he fed them into a AI art generator telling it to put us in space suits. It put out some cool stuff.
One example of me...weird AI fingers...
His daughter then photoshopped our individual photos into a promo pic. I think she did a great job!
One example of me...weird AI fingers...
His daughter then photoshopped our individual photos into a promo pic. I think she did a great job!
The Singularity is coming...a time when AI will advance beyond our ability to control it. Could be good. Could be neutral. It could be catastrophic. What's an emotional supergenius (or a thousand of them) whom doesn't need food or sleep or breaks going to think about a species that proliferates, breeds, poops the oceans full, starts wars and bulldozes mountains?
Skynet is coming. Be alert.
Skynet is coming. Be alert.
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As for large language models like Chat GPT, it's very cool too. But, for us that write songs, it's a bit disturbing.
bad enuf our data is stolen and sold without consent.
this would be "that" drummer, so i say no!
this would be "that" drummer, so i say no!
My wife recently used it to cheat on a speech at work she had to write for some BS leadership conference. She said it went over well.
It can probably help tighten up grammar and syntax for writing, but can't actually create anything. When I've tried to use it for art its like bad acid trips.
Since it uses information to create algorithms that is molds into predictive models, it might be able to make reasonable financial decisions, figure out the weather, and the other boiler plate stuff we've seen it used for. It might be a real boom for translations. I think it is largely hype for now.
What I would personally want to see in terms of legislation is that whenever we (humans) interact with AI we should be made aware of it. If it is a Chat bot for IT support, it should say. Art should have watermarks. Video should have watermarks.
It can probably help tighten up grammar and syntax for writing, but can't actually create anything. When I've tried to use it for art its like bad acid trips.
Since it uses information to create algorithms that is molds into predictive models, it might be able to make reasonable financial decisions, figure out the weather, and the other boiler plate stuff we've seen it used for. It might be a real boom for translations. I think it is largely hype for now.
What I would personally want to see in terms of legislation is that whenever we (humans) interact with AI we should be made aware of it. If it is a Chat bot for IT support, it should say. Art should have watermarks. Video should have watermarks.
The issue of consciousness and ethics are interesting. I remember an undergrad psychology class back in the 80s, and the professor saying that the new way of thinking about the brain was comparing it to a computer. I thought that seemed weird, because weren't computers machines we made trying to imitate brains? It kind of seems similar with AI tech now. We don't really know how consciousness works, but when an AI becomes self-aware we'll use that to explain ourselves.
The thing about ethical considerations relate to something I said about creativity in my post on the first page. I think an important point about great creative work is the sense of need that arises from life and its shortcomings. I would argue that both vices and virtues in humans are likewise rooted in that sense of need. "Want," in English, originally meant "lack" (e.g. "You shall want for nothing" means "you shall have everything"), and I think that says a lot about motivation. We feel compassion when we sense that another person suffers a lack of something that we also could suffer from a lack of, so we feed the hungry or house the homeless or whatever. But we also fear, say, poverty or powerlessness, so we crave wealth or power, even when that means crushing others to get it.
So if an AI became self-aware and independent, what would motivate it? What would it need?
The thing about ethical considerations relate to something I said about creativity in my post on the first page. I think an important point about great creative work is the sense of need that arises from life and its shortcomings. I would argue that both vices and virtues in humans are likewise rooted in that sense of need. "Want," in English, originally meant "lack" (e.g. "You shall want for nothing" means "you shall have everything"), and I think that says a lot about motivation. We feel compassion when we sense that another person suffers a lack of something that we also could suffer from a lack of, so we feed the hungry or house the homeless or whatever. But we also fear, say, poverty or powerlessness, so we crave wealth or power, even when that means crushing others to get it.
So if an AI became self-aware and independent, what would motivate it? What would it need?
Another observation; The more tasks we automate, the less work will be available for humans. Work is good for people. Money aside, people need tasks to stay sane and not get bored to death.
Then there's money. The Star Trek universe is nowhere near- things cost money and automation is putting people out of work.
You know the robot kiosks at McDonald's?
That used to be a paycheck.
And as musicians, we should be sensitive to minimum pay work going away.
Then there's money. The Star Trek universe is nowhere near- things cost money and automation is putting people out of work.
You know the robot kiosks at McDonald's?
That used to be a paycheck.
And as musicians, we should be sensitive to minimum pay work going away.
I've seen the Terminator. I know how this story goes...
True, and there are going to be transformations and disruptions here, as there always are from new tech. At the same time, it isn't all-or-nothing, the-way-it's-always-been or chaos-and-mayhem.
For instance, it was enlightening to me when I read a history of the music profession in Britain. Do you know when the maximum employment for musicians was? The 1920s. Then a catastrophic dropoff in the 1930s. What happened? Silent movies gave way to talkies. The new tech put a whole lot of cinema accompanists out of work. And yet today, no one is saying to take the soundtracks out of movies and TV so that live musicians can get the jobs back. It's simply a different era with a new configuration.
I agree that people need work - we seem to have a built-in craving for doing something meaningful, and getting to sit around idle can get not only dull, but depressing. There's an epidemic of "deaths of despair" among middle-aged men - suicide, addiction - that's at least partly because economic, technological and social changes mean they no longer serve as necessary "breadwinners" and many haven't adapted to find new sources of meaning in their lives. On the other hand, how much work, and what kind of work, do people need for meaning? People used to spend 12-14 hours a day in factories, six days a week. By comparison to that, the 40-hour work week is a lifelong semi-vacation; we have so much free time just to amuse ourselves. What if the future of work is 20- or 30-hour "full time" jobs? How many TBers would say they get their satisfaction in life from playing in a band on the weekend, vs. going to the office to pay the bills?
I'd be pretty thrilled with 5 or 6 paying gigs per week. Keep in mind, (as I know you're aware) work is not just labor. The act of creating intellectual property (composing, writing novels, technical writing) is already being encroached by AI. I'd love for some of the great minds of the 20th century (specifically C.S. Lewis and JRR Tolkien) to be alive to weigh in on the subject.
I remember a classic science fiction story where a man is sent to another star system alone in a slower than light craft. His ships computer is programmed to keep him performing task after task 15 hours per day.
Then he hacks the governor and is free of punishment (electric shock) for playing hooky from labor.
When he gets to his destination, they find him strangled in his own guts. He couldn't fill in the time for 25 years without the busy work...
I fully agree. The problem is the tool abuse for always the same reason: bigger profit and profitability. Beyond 95% of dramatic accidents, the root cause is the same: somewhere in the chain someone wants to cut on money to increase his profit, not caring one second about potential impact on others.
Human well-being is not a criteria for those who decide and can deeply change things. As soon as profit and profitability is the main criteria, any new tool will be hurtfull for Humanity as a whole. The more powerfull will be the tool, the quicker and the deeper we'll suffer. And the first to suffer are always the ones who are already suffering the most. Sad reality when the same tools can help a lot on so many life aspects. Pandemic could have been a great opportunity for changing things. The only result is the top levels have pushed all they could to re-launch the machine, and this crazy thing is insreasing his speed as never before..
I have seen a documentary last week about health disaster on kidneys from the work under high temperatures. The focus was on truck drivers from a big company that are working under pressure to increase the deliveries number per day whatever the temperature. And what was the company reply ? We give them more water..... It's a nice summary. What about slow the machine, and stop deliveries at midday ? Same price but hey you can perhaps wait for one more day ? And perhaps the one who is waiting for you to build a thing with the component you are waiting for can also wait one more day too ? And perhaps this truck driver will keep his kindneys safe all his life. And there will be less medical cost to help him to survive.. Who knows ?
I'm certain you're speaking about the brown box truck delivery company which rhymes with "Whoops"...
The actual solution there is dead simple. Air conditioning. I deliver for a regional carrier in my car. In the south. Yes, summer is treacherous. But I buy air conditioned cars.
I can't believe no one in the whoops universe hasn't sued their pants off for not running an air conditioned fleet. It's inhumane.
Plus I'll never forgive what they did to my favorite bass during delivery.
I just read that OSHA doesn't regulate this. So there you go.
This is it. But if i've understand well (and if it's the truth), they have to keep doors open to "not loose time" when arrives on delivery area....
Problematic with air conditioner.. Such a shame..
This is the worst part about AI...
Microsoft Clippy gets major upgrade with ChatGPT thanks to new Windows 11 app
Microsoft Clippy gets major upgrade with ChatGPT thanks to new Windows 11 app
