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Zoom B3 As Preamp Part 2

#201
ticol07 said:
Charlie, Charlie, hum... you forgot in your Rock Monster Tone the magic mids frequency !!
Why am I here if you don't study your lessons ? ;)

More seriously Nashman, if you set the mids at 1.2kHz, you can have interesting results when boosting them : a more agressive and cutting tone for pick and finger playing.
For sure it's a matter of test, but I found (and Charlie too:) ) this frequency to fit well in a rock mix when you want to be more present.
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Very sorry, my apologies! :D

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#204
troy mcclure said:
I have added a powered GK extension speaker as my practice amp to use with the B3 as my practice amp was shot. So far it sounds pretty good. I bought the 12 in 200 watt.
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I had often wondered if the CHAIN IN XLR inputs on those GK powered cabinets were simply balanced inputs to the internal power amp and I guess they are based on your usage with the B3.

The markings on those jacks, and the cab's user manual, lead one to believe that perhaps they were a proprietary jack/wiring (not compatible with anything but GK combos with a CHAIN OUT XLR)

As the 112MBP has no tweeter, lower MIX values may be in order when using the B3's amp models.

Cheers!
 
#205
Well I survived Winter Storm 2014 here in Birmingham, AL. Managed to make it home safely.

While I have no idea what my previous settings were for my SVT patch, I created a new one based mostly on CharlieC's example. I like it...and I saved it.

My musical ear is still off. Not really sure what sound it is I'm after. I just keep saying "hey...that's pretty good."

I'm going to attempt to install the B3 software on my laptop. I run Linux 100% of the time, so it will be interesting to see how it does under WINE.

EDIT: It worked fine in Linux under WINE. It said there was a firmware update, but I was a little worried about updating the firmware.
 
#206
tubatodd said:
It said there was a firmware update, but I was a little worried about updating the firmware.
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I forget off the top of my head exactly what firmware 1.1 addresses, but I'm pretty sure it was a minor bug fix. None of the improvements that we're dreaming of, anyway. I didn't notice anything different when I upgraded, so if you're not experiencing any issues with your unit it's nothing you can't live without.
 
#208
Hey guyz, I know I posted months ago but just to let you know and to thank you guys for the awesome thread, I finally got to purchase a EV ZLX 15p…

:-) MASSIVE…

I chain a MS-60B for noise reduction, modeling, compressing and equalising and use a B3 for effects like wah, chorus, reverb and synth! I think I shall be happy for a long time with this setup!
 
#209
Zak1990 said:
Hey guyz, I know I posted months ago but just to let you know and to thank you guys for the awesome thread, I finally got to purchase a EV ZLX 15p…

:-) MASSIVE…

I chain a MS-60B for noise reduction, modeling, compressing and equalising and use a B3 for effects like wah, chorus, reverb and synth! I think I shall be happy for a long time with this setup!
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Congrats!

The EV ZLX line is fantastic and the 15P is a knockout speaker!

:bassist::bassist::bassist:
 
#211
ticol07 said:
This active speaker is not very expensive.
How is its power ? If you compared it to a regular bass amp.

It is rated 200 W but I always heard that the speakers of these active speakers weren't effectice as regular bass speaker?
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Is this question regarding the GK 112MBP, Post #203 above?

I believe that equipment is a true 12" bass speaker in a cabinet with a built-in power amp rated at 200 watts, marketed as a powered extension for select GK combo amps.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/gallien-krueger-112mbp-1x12-200w-powered-bass-cab
 
#212
As far as the GK112MBP... I grabbed one as they were under $200 for a day on Amazon. It is tiny and weighs very little. I have yet to push it very hard. I set up a very clean patch, (a limiter/compressor, graphic eq and avalon mod) set the volume low as I did not know how it would interact with the amp ( which has no volume). I ran it direct also by engaging the pre xlr button and it was way hotter than my patch. I may try this thing at my next jam gig which is a sports bar with no pa support.
 
#214
Hi guys,

Just subbed to your thread and wanted to thank all of you, but especially Charlie, Ticol et Andreas for this incredible amount oft insight. Bought my B3 a few weeks ago, just because I stumbled upon it and considered it a Swiss Army Knife. Doesn't get you everywhere but pretty far. I didn't realize, how far this thingie can get you actually...

I own a Peavey Tour 450 and Peavey 410 cab plus a DBX 166A noise gate/compressor/limiter which I appreciate very much. What do you think: should I

- run the dbx before or after the B3 (would save me one to two slots in the B3)
- forget about the dbx and rely upon the B3's inbuilt noise gate and compressor
- use the Peavey preamp incl 9-band eq or bypass it and just plug the B3 into the power amp (effect return)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me.
Best
 
#215
Hi,

it depends on what you want to use the B3 for.
A comp + the noise gate will take you 2 slots on the 3 available.
So if you want to have a maximum of choice you should keep your dbx166.
But if you want to use an amp sim and no other effect, then the B3 can handle the 3 functions.

Regarding the pre and post preamp of your Peavey it really depends on the color of the preamp and if you can set it flat.
If it's too coloured you may have strange sounds since the different eqs will not fit well.
You can test it by plugging your B3 before and after and then compare the tones. If they are similar, then you should plug your B3 in the regular input of your amp.
That's if you want to use the B3 for amp sims of course.

The only thing to avoid is to have too many different eqs settings in line. The result will not be good.

The most powerful tone shapers on the B3 are the Para Eq and the AcBsPre. Very versatile, and let you achieve very precise things. But they don't add flavour as the amp sims can do :)
So it's a matter of choice.
 
#216
Heisenbass said:
Hi guys,

Just subbed to your thread and wanted to thank all of you, but especially Charlie, Ticol et Andreas for this incredible amount oft insight. Bought my B3 a few weeks ago, just because I stumbled upon it and considered it a Swiss Army Knife. Doesn't get you everywhere but pretty far. I didn't realize, how far this thingie can get you actually...

I own a Peavey Tour 450 and Peavey 410 cab plus a DBX 166A noise gate/compressor/limiter which I appreciate very much. What do you think: should I

- run the dbx before or after the B3 (would save me one to two slots in the B3)
- forget about the dbx and rely upon the B3's inbuilt noise gate and compressor
- use the Peavey preamp incl 9-band eq or bypass it and just plug the B3 into the power amp (effect return)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me.
Best
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Use the effects return.

I just did that at our last gig, despite the fact I love the preamp of my Trace Elliot 1200 also very much. I used a simple Y to plug both into my amp. One end directly into the ordinary amp input AND the other end to go via B3 to the effects return. This is of course rather hot, but I chose all to be 1 MOhm at the tips of the Y and I could keep signal levels therefore under control. But most importantly, it sounded phantastic!!

This setup also gives me tremendous flexibility, since the foot controller of my amp allows me with a single stomp to switch between B3 or no B3 (with or withou effects loop). To get this working well I did of course also set the effect loop's mode to serial (not parallel). Great setup I may keep on a permanent basis.

:bassist::bassist::bassist:
 
#219
Heisenbass said:
Hi guys,

Just subbed to your thread and wanted to thank all of you, but especially Charlie, Ticol et Andreas for this incredible amount oft insight. Bought my B3 a few weeks ago, just because I stumbled upon it and considered it a Swiss Army Knife. Doesn't get you everywhere but pretty far. I didn't realize, how far this thingie can get you actually...

I own a Peavey Tour 450 and Peavey 410 cab plus a DBX 166A noise gate/compressor/limiter which I appreciate very much. What do you think: should I

- run the dbx before or after the B3 (would save me one to two slots in the B3)
- forget about the dbx and rely upon the B3's inbuilt noise gate and compressor
- use the Peavey preamp incl 9-band eq or bypass it and just plug the B3 into the power amp (effect return)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me.
Best
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Thanks for the acknowledgement and congrats on the B3 purchase.

I echo the above advice to you from the others, since as you already know we have some great contributors to this thread.

Cheers!
 
#220
I believe I am forever spoiled now with Zoom's cabinet simulations and DSP.

They allow me to achieve consistent, fully-developed tones that transfer seamlessly across all full-range inputs and equipment. What comes out of my B3 or MS-60B is "finished product", ready for amplification, IEMs or other capture. Additionally, it is possible to walk up to any Zoom device having same model algorithms and instantly dial-in one's exact tones. The ability to truly "plug-and-play" has now shifted my focus to performance and enjoyment.

If you have not yet connected your B3/MS-60B to a quality, full-range powered speaker (or similar) then I highly recommend a test drive!

:bassist:
 

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