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Zoom Livetrak L-12 Mixer and Multi-track Recorder

I've been fiddling with the one of these units for the last month. This is my first foray into the world of recording and live mixing. So far I have multi-track recorded several band practices and mixed and recorded one live show. While there is a learning curve, it has been a good experience for a first time user of this type of gear.



I'm in a 3 piece dub-reggae band with backing tracks on about 1/3 of our material. Drummer can play keys(mostly skanks), drums and sing simultaneously. We've been running Bass, Mic'd Guitar, Vocal x2, kick, snare, OH and keys/backing tracks using the 8 mono inputs. Drummer has a small mixer for keys/BT/in-ears that runs out mono due to a click track.

A ton of fun for a beginner as results have been fantastic but mixing recordings thru PA is a chore. Studio monitors are next on shopping list.

Anyone else pick one of these up?
 
Love it. I only wish it wrote to mp3 like the handhelds. Transfering WAVs to a daw is simple enough but it doesn't live near a computer... so it's an additional task. Its a been a great live mixer and we mix and record every practice.
 
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Love it. I only wish it wrote to mp3 like the handhelds. Transfering WAVs to a daw is simple enough but it doesn't live near a computer... so it's an additional task. Its a been a great live mixer and we mix and record every practice.
WAV is the better format hands down. There's no lossless due to compression like you have with MP3s. You might want MP3 for end use, Internet, MP3 players, etc... But you want WAV for the original recording. Yeah converting to MP3 is an extra step. But it's worth keeping your original recordings in WAV IMO.

On another note I would really like to hear what you like and don't like about your Zoom. It's one of 4 units I'm currently looking at buying.
 
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In regards to the WAV files... I want it all.. wav and mp3 as I'm only recording practices for the band to hear. Quick and dirty mp3 is fine. Uploading(or stereo direct) to daw and "fixing" practice? Nah. I don't mean that to be a complaint.. just what I was used to on my handheld zooms. Only other thing I can think of is naming the tracks isn't doable unless you're OCD. Not a lot to complain about from me.

Primary use is as a practice mixer/recorder and headphone amp. This is my first mixer and/or multi channel recorder and I've used it at about a dozen live shows... easy. Unit seems rather plug-n-play and intuitive for a recording newb and sounds good live or recorded. Recent update allows effects through individual monitor mixes, which was a rather big deal for my singers once we started practicing with headphones.

Here are a few practice covers recorded and mixed on the L12 and sent to a DAW via out from stereo mains for conversion to MP3. No additional eq, comp or noise reduction. Quick and dirty.

1 - Bass DI
2 - Guitar mic'd
3 - Kick Drum
4 - Snare/Hi-Hat
5 - Drummer Vox / OH
6 - Lead Vox
7 - Aux
8 - Aux
9/10 - Stereo Keys
11/12 - Stereo Ableton Backing Tracks/synth/click track to drummer

Recorded full band with keys and vox in PA.
Recently Played - Crumb Bass is wonky because of a bad attempt at an overdub. Didn't realize how badly bass was bleeding through every mic in the room.
Nakamarra - Haitus Kaiote

Recorded on headphones with only live guitar and drums
Teardrop - Massive Attack
Weird Fishes -Radiohead

We've moved completely to practicing through head phones which I was against initially but no longer mind. Recordings are a little better and I must admit that it's nice to get a personal mix and reduce every kind of volume. My amp has a nice DI so it's not so bad.
 
In regards to the WAV files... I want it all.. wav and mp3 as I'm only recording practices for the band to hear. Quick and dirty mp3 is fine. Uploading(or stereo direct) to daw and "fixing" practice? Nah. I don't mean that to be a complaint.. just what I was used to on my handheld zooms. Only other thing I can think of is naming the tracks isn't doable unless you're OCD. Not a lot to complain about from me.

Primary use is as a practice mixer/recorder and headphone amp. This is my first mixer and/or multi channel recorder and I've used it at about a dozen live shows... easy. Unit seems rather plug-n-play and intuitive for a recording newb and sounds good live or recorded. Recent update allows effects through individual monitor mixes, which was a rather big deal for my singers once we started practicing with headphones.

Here are a few practice covers recorded and mixed on the L12 and sent to a DAW via out from stereo mains for conversion to MP3. No additional eq, comp or noise reduction. Quick and dirty.

1 - Bass DI
2 - Guitar mic'd
3 - Kick Drum
4 - Snare/Hi-Hat
5 - Drummer Vox / OH
6 - Lead Vox
7 - Aux
8 - Aux
9/10 - Stereo Keys
11/12 - Stereo Ableton Backing Tracks/synth/click track to drummer

Recorded full band with keys and vox in PA.
Recently Played - Crumb Bass is wonky because of a bad attempt at an overdub. Didn't realize how badly bass was bleeding through every mic in the room.
Nakamarra - Haitus Kaiote

Recorded on headphones with only live guitar and drums
Teardrop - Massive Attack
Weird Fishes -Radiohead

We've moved completely to practicing through head phones which I was against initially but no longer mind. Recordings are a little better and I must admit that it's nice to get a personal mix and reduce every kind of volume. My amp has a nice DI so it's not so bad.

Thanks for the info, you're not making this any easier for me :roflmao:

I've been currently looking at the following...

TASCAM DP-24SD 24-track Digital Portastudio - $499

TASCAM DP-32SD 32-track Digital Portastudio - $599

Zoom LiveTrak L-12 12-channel Digital Mixer / Recorder - $599

Zoom R24 24-track Recorder / Interface / Controller with Loop Sampler - $499

Zoom R16 16-track SD Recorder / Interface / Controller - $399

I just can't make up my mind on which one although I have been leaning towards the TASCAM DP-24SD. One of the guys at a local music store has been looking at getting one of those as well and his recommendation is the TASCAM.

I really like your recordings done on headphones. Playback on my computer through a set of self powered Altec Lansing monitors and sub sounds fantastic and is very eq'able. I can pull in or take out as much of your bass lines I want to hear or not hear with not much effect on the rest of the music. In other words I can get your bass to sit in there perfectly off the "headphone" recordings. Very nice job on those recordings and the mix. I'd be very happy with that and you obviously are doing it with the Zoom.
 
In regards to the WAV files... I want it all.. wav and mp3 as I'm only recording practices for the band to hear. Quick and dirty mp3 is fine. Uploading(or stereo direct) to daw and "fixing" practice? Nah. I don't mean that to be a complaint.. just what I was used to on my handheld zooms. Only other thing I can think of is naming the tracks isn't doable unless you're OCD. Not a lot to complain about from me.

Primary use is as a practice mixer/recorder and headphone amp. This is my first mixer and/or multi channel recorder and I've used it at about a dozen live shows... easy. Unit seems rather plug-n-play and intuitive for a recording newb and sounds good live or recorded. Recent update allows effects through individual monitor mixes, which was a rather big deal for my singers once we started practicing with headphones.

Here are a few practice covers recorded and mixed on the L12 and sent to a DAW via out from stereo mains for conversion to MP3. No additional eq, comp or noise reduction. Quick and dirty.

1 - Bass DI
2 - Guitar mic'd
3 - Kick Drum
4 - Snare/Hi-Hat
5 - Drummer Vox / OH
6 - Lead Vox
7 - Aux
8 - Aux
9/10 - Stereo Keys
11/12 - Stereo Ableton Backing Tracks/synth/click track to drummer

Recorded full band with keys and vox in PA.
Recently Played - Crumb Bass is wonky because of a bad attempt at an overdub. Didn't realize how badly bass was bleeding through every mic in the room.
Nakamarra - Haitus Kaiote

Recorded on headphones with only live guitar and drums
Teardrop - Massive Attack
Weird Fishes -Radiohead

We've moved completely to practicing through head phones which I was against initially but no longer mind. Recordings are a little better and I must admit that it's nice to get a personal mix and reduce every kind of volume. My amp has a nice DI so it's not so bad.

Still digging around and the one thing I noticed on the L12 that the other units I've looked at don't have that really stands out, 5 headphone outputs. That's definitely a plus for what I'm wanting to do.
 
It records as well as any other zoom.. but it's mostly a mixer. I was looking for my first PA mixer when I purchased and was planning on buying a H6 as well... so....

Headphone outs with indie mixes are real nice and I don't see how that would be possible on most budget units but if your primary goal is a small recording setup I'd probably try something dedicated to that.
 
Love it. I only wish it wrote to mp3 like the handhelds. Transfering WAVs to a daw is simple enough but it doesn't live near a computer... so it's an additional task. Its a been a great live mixer and we mix and record every practice.
might be a slow option compared to a PC, but there are .wav to .mp3 converters for smartphones, Android or iOS.
Or via tablet. Still and additional task either way, but at least it's possible to do this "in the field".
 
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It records as well as any other zoom.. but it's mostly a mixer. I was looking for my first PA mixer when I purchased and was planning on buying a H6 as well... so....

Headphone outs with indie mixes are real nice and I don't see how that would be possible on most budget units but if your primary goal is a small recording setup I'd probably try something dedicated to that.
Finally did it, but got the L-20 instead of the L-12. And since it can be used as a DAW interface I think it will be good enough for the recording I want to do. What I can't do on the board, I can get into the computer through it. And I need a mixer for live performances as well.
 
Is it possible (and easy) to play backing tracks live?
It is possible to play backing tracks live. Matter of fact that is one of the features they boast about. Now how easy it? That I couldn't really answer. I've done it at home, but then that doesn't require the same timing / starting point as a live show would. I would think a midi controller of some sort, a pedal, something that you can hit "start" would be necessary in a live show. At home I'm just hitting the "start" on my computer and have the backing track routed into one of the stereo channels on the board. Nothing hard about that.

Here's the manual for the board itself. Don't know if the answer you're looking for is in there or not as I haven't really had to spend much time in it since getting my board.
https://www.zoom-na.com/sites/default/files/products/downloads/pdfs/E_L-20_OperationManual.pdf
 
I checked the manual and you can connect a footswitch pedal on the "Control" port and assign it to "Play/Stop" in the config.
I want to play backing tracks directly on the board. Do I have to select a project (after importing all my tracks on it's own project) and pressing play?
 
I checked the manual and you can connect a footswitch pedal on the "Control" port and assign it to "Play/Stop" in the config.
I want to play backing tracks directly on the board. Do I have to select a project (after importing all my tracks on it's own project) and pressing play?
That I would have to test to be sure. I really have no way of knowing at this point. I only use backing tracks at home and they're all controlled at the computer instead of the board.
 
Checking in to see if you're still happy with this setup for silent band rehearsal through headphones? I'm on the fence between this, a Jamhub Tourbus (discontinued) and a Roland HS-5. I'll use primarily for silent band practice with a quality edrum kit. The separate headphone mixes of the Livetrak make it a contender against the other two. Do you think the "live sound" through headphones on the Livetrak would be the best option?
 
Checking in to see if you're still happy with this setup for silent band rehearsal through headphones? I'm on the fence between this, a Jamhub Tourbus (discontinued) and a Roland HS-5. I'll use primarily for silent band practice with a quality edrum kit. The separate headphone mixes of the Livetrak make it a contender against the other two. Do you think the "live sound" through headphones on the Livetrak would be the best option?
I love the "live sound" through the headphones option. We're practicing and recording Sunday. And we use a edrum kit too. If we didn't use an edrum kit the drummer would blow us out of the room. But that's one of the advantages to using the headphones and an edrum kit, we can use a very small space. The only thing that can be heard outside of the headphones are vocals and guitar. If it's acoustic guitar, I run it direct to the board but you still have the volume of the acoustic guitar itself in the room. If it's electric guitar I mic the cab with two mics. Because of that we go back and overdub the vocal tracks so we have clean vocals with no bleed over from other instruments into the mics like we get when we record the original vocals while playing.

The one thing I do not like, but I understand why, is when recording, it records whatever signal you send to it "flat". If you use the board's EQ and/or FX bus, those do not get recorded. The reason behind that is if you use the board at a live gig and you record that gig, you don't want the sound after it has been adjusted on the board for the room's acoustics. So even though you can set up FX and EQ directly on the board for live sound via monitors, PA, or headphones, that's all it's for is the actual live sound, not the recorded sound. If you want FX in the recording you either have to:
1) Add them later in a DAW
2) Run some sort of FX in your signal chain before the signal hits the board.

Like I said, I don't like it, but I understand it. Say you're in a room that is boomy and you EQ out a lot of the bass for it, you obviously don't want that in your recording. Or the room needs a lot of bass so you EQ it in. What works for the room may not work for a recording that can be played on various playback devices.

The only thing that is recorded post signal are the levels, and compression if you go into the options and tell it to record post compression. I've contacted Zoom and ask them to look into a future firmware update to let you decide to record pre or post EQ and/or FX. Cause those of us who use the board via headphones could then cut out a lot of post work later in our DAWs.

I hate sharing this as this was only the 2nd recording I had done using the LiveTrak L-20. And in a room not much bigger than a bathroom, and I was still learning tricks to keep stuff from bleeding over into the the mics.
But it also shows how fast and easy one can get up and going with a board they know nothing about. And I was more preoccupied with monitoring the board than I was playing bass. So the bass lines are pretty simple.

The Wind Cries Mary (straight board / pre DAW)


The Wind Cries Mary (post DAW)
And a 2nd bass track added as well so there's two bass guitars
An EMG GZR split P loaded 1985 Epiphone tuned D#, A, D, G (original bass track)
2000 Peavey Millenium BXP 5 string / B, E, A, D, G (2nd bass track)
 
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Me too.
And bought the Tascam Model 12. It is fully digital (unlike the 16 and 24) and works as a DAW controler, too. It has aux, panorama and eq settings for every single channel like an analog mixer. Besides this two aux-busses and a sub. But I'm still envy of the many headphone outputs of the Zoom...
 
Is it possible (and easy) to play backing tracks live?

I checked the manual and you can connect a footswitch pedal on the "Control" port and assign it to "Play/Stop" in the config.
I want to play backing tracks directly on the board. Do I have to select a project (after importing all my tracks on it's own project) and pressing play?

I'm a little late replying but we did not use this for backing tracks live. We used one of the stereo channels for BTs with a laptop or iPad. It can be used to play BTs but its not very fast or flexible in live setting even with a footswitch. Its still a nice piece of gear and is flexible for a number of uses. Mixer, recorder, DAW controller, headphone amp on a budget. My unit has also been dependable and I've had no serious tech difficulties.
 
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