Zoom MS60/B3 para eq help

[PilbaraBass]

This brings up an important point...
if one can match the original equipment manual to the model, one can get a lot more insight into how to use the model.

For instance the Avalon U5 has product literature (the "Di5" model on the zoom) that clearly shows how the 6 pre-shape filters work. Which is VERY handy for using the unit. One of my FAVOURITE models, by the way... just LOVE it!

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[Groove Doctor]

Checked the Fishman Pro manual - the HPF is 12 dB/octave, and range can be moved from 15 Hz (at 5:00 position) to 125 Hz (7:00).

Hope that is of use.

Very handy thanks!

I love my Fishman PPBDI. The depth knob is really useful live.

 

[Johno Dunn]

Checked the Fishman Pro manual - the HPF is 12 dB/octave, and range can be moved from 15 Hz (at 5:00 position) to 125 Hz (7:00).

Hope that is of use.

So will this serve the same purpose as a Thumpinator?

 

[SuperFunkyPete]

So will this serve the same purpose as a Thumpinator?

I think so.

 

[gregmon79]

Thanks guys! This will come in real handy when building patches. I was messing with my 60b last night for a long time and man, does it have a crap load of options/sounds/tones! Im so glad I picked one of these up. I think its going to end up being an invaluable tool in my arsenal. I was playing with that "Fishman" model last night for the first time and I really liked a lot of what it has to offer. Stoked!

 

[ticol07]

A good High pass filter in the B3 (I don't know if it's in the ms-60b too) is the AC Bs Pre.
The Depth rolls off the lows :
- at 10 -> no roll off (full bass)
- at 0 -> like an HPF fixed at 200Hz
and inbetween :
- at 5 : 100Hz
- at 6 : 80Hz
- at 7 : 70Hz
- at 8 : 60Hz
- at 9 : 40Hz
(I made very quick measurements, so it's "almost" these frequencies).

After that the frequencies are set that way on this preamp :
- Bass : 40Hz
- Low-Mid : 800Hz (Low mids ???)
- Hi-Mids : 4kHZ
- Treble : 7kHz
and you can select the frequencie you want as Mids (real low mids for example ).

Another information : the 3 mids parameters have a smaller Q than the mids of the Amp Sims (so acts on a larger band).

-> This preamp can be a really good tone shaper.

 

[SuperFunkyPete]

Thanks for the measurements. Nice work. Thanks also for all the measurements you are doing of the amp and cab sims in the main thread too.

 

[ticol07]

Yeah, it really helps to chose the good settings.
There are so many effects in these little boxes

 

[steve_rolfeca]

So will this serve the same purpose as a Thumpinator?

Ish.

The fDeck and the Thumpinator have steeper cutoff slopes than the Zoom. Still, you'll get a lot of the same benefits as those other, more expensive boxes. What a dandy little tool these things are!

 

[Jaycephas]

This is excellent! I just tried it and it worked.

 

[Silas Stingy]

This info is great. More power given to those frequencies that let us be heard!

 

[malpasso]

A good High pass filter in the B3 (I don't know if it's in the ms-60b too) is the AC Bs Pre.
The Depth rolls off the lows :
- at 10 -> no roll off (full bass)
- at 0 -> like an HPF fixed at 200Hz
and inbetween :
- at 5 : 100Hz
- at 6 : 80Hz
- at 7 : 70Hz
- at 8 : 60Hz
- at 9 : 40Hz
(I made very quick measurements, so it's "almost" these frequencies).

After that the frequencies are set that way on this preamp :
- Bass : 40Hz
- Low-Mid : 800Hz (Low mids ???)
- Hi-Mids : 4kHZ
- Treble : 7kHz
and you can select the frequencie you want as Mids (real low mids for example ).

Another information : the 3 mids parameters have a smaller Q than the mids of the Amp Sims (so acts on a larger band).

-> This preamp can be a really good tone shaper.

Thanks for this! Great job. Extremely helpful!!!

 

[BunchyMutt]

Anyone tried using the para EQ as a high pass filter? I'm going to experiment with it though it's not a true steep shelving EQ. But if I set a low frequency and a Q that's not too wide it might work..?

I don't think it will work well... You'll just get a peak (or trough) centered at your selected frequency...
I think the splitter EQ would work better ... Even better would be to daisy chain two splitters together to get a steeper slope

The splitter makes a perfect hi and lo pass filter, I use it often to taylor patches.
It's a bit annoygin to waste a spot for such a mundane function but so far it is the only way I found.

I use the para EQ all the time as a hpf - to my ears it has a steeper slope than the splitter.

I also use - and prefer over all - the Ac Bs Pre's hpf

 

[PilbaraBass]

I use the para EQ all the time as a hpf - to my ears it has a steeper slope than the splitter.

I also use - and prefer over all - the Ac Bs Pre's hpf

It's difficult to tell with one's ears the slope of an hpf... they actually may both be the same (1st or 2nd order)...
However, all that really matters is if it works for you.

On the subject of the Ac Bs Pre... I love this effect/sim! it is very powerful, easy to use, and quite useful in getting the right sound in a difficult room.

 

[soong]

A good High pass filter in the B3 (I don't know if it's in the ms-60b too) is the AC Bs Pre.
The Depth rolls off the lows :
- at 10 -> no roll off (full bass)
- at 0 -> like an HPF fixed at 200Hz
and inbetween :
- at 5 : 100Hz
- at 6 : 80Hz
- at 7 : 70Hz
- at 8 : 60Hz
- at 9 : 40Hz
(I made very quick measurements, so it's "almost" these frequencies).

After that the frequencies are set that way on this preamp :
- Bass : 40Hz
- Low-Mid : 800Hz (Low mids ???)
- Hi-Mids : 4kHZ
- Treble : 7kHz
and you can select the frequencie you want as Mids (real low mids for example ).

Another information : the 3 mids parameters have a smaller Q than the mids of the Amp Sims (so acts on a larger band).

-> This preamp can be a really good tone shaper.

Sorry to revive an old thread!! If the Depth control notches out between 40hz-200hz, how can we control the amount of db by? Is this the 'level' control? How does the Gain control respond with the level control?

Also, would it be dumb then to play with the Bass control (as you mentioned, set at 40hz) on the 2nd page of the AC Bs Pre?

 

[steve_rolfeca]

Sorry to revive an old thread!! If the Depth control notches out between 40hz-200hz, how can we control the amount of db by? Is this the 'level' control? How does the Gain control respond with the level control?

Also, would it be dumb then to play with the Bass control (as you mentioned, set at 40hz) on the 2nd page of the AC Bs Pre?

There's no "fine adjust" on the HPF. It is unity gain above the cutoff frequency, but has a fixed slope of x dB per octave below that point.

For example, with a 12dB per octave HPF set at 60 Hz, tones at 30 Hz would be down 12 dB, and 15 Hz would be down 24 dB.

There's nothing wrong with combining an HPF with a bit of bass boost. It's an old trick for getting some nice midbass punch, without introducing a lot of subsonic flub...

 

[PaulWarning]

just been playing a round with this on my B1on the parametric part of the EQ effects the Lo mids control, not the mid control as indicated in the OP, if I'm reading it right

 

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