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Club Fbass (Part 10!)

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QUOTE=Tom7;12465747]I meant to answer this when I first read it then spaced it. Sorry 'bout that.

First, I currently own the bass Donovan plays in this video. (Thank you again, Donovan. You're the best!) Except for the 36" scale length, and the wooden bridge, it is pretty close to the specs you are considering. It is a neck through, has a chambered body, piezos, 6-string, etc.

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This bass is pretty flexible tonally, it does a woody acoustic type sound, and a REALLY nice Jaco, and a more generic p-bass like tone that would fit with many cover songs... but it has its own voice as well (think of a Smith blended with a Stingray, with the ability to dial in piezo tone).

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Second, I own 3 ACs, and two BNs. In the photo below, my ACs are on the couch and the two BNs are on each end of the basses on the floor.

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As you can see, each of my 3 ACs has a different bridge. The AC6 Classic (far right) has a floating bridge that helps it have a VERY upright bass tone. [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] (so the tone is a bit more Ron Carter than John Patitucci). I got this bass without magnetic pickups on purpose so that it would be 100% focused on doing one thing well: acoustic bass tone.

I love the acoustic tone and organic decay of a wooden bridge, it is a perfect fit for the fretless ebony finger board and acoustic chambers in these basses.

The AC6 in the middle on the couch has an ebony bridge with piezos as well. It does a great acoustic tone as well (if you put Thomastik Infeld Jazz flats on her), but it is still flexible enough to do a very very nice Jaco.

The difference between the two styles of ebony bridge is somewhat subtle. However, the difference between the ebony and metal bridges is quite stark.

The AC6 on the left is the fretted AC6 and it has a metal bridge. Harmonics are livelier, the attack (as Donovan said) is crisper, the sustain is much longer, and the character of the bass is more electric sounding in tone, even though the bass has piezos and acoustic chambers.

I can't tell you which bridge you should put on your bass because I'm unclear what its tonal goals are, so I just provided information that (hopefully) helps you know what the differences are as executed on my basses.

As for the 36" scale length, that's an interesting spec... very Anthony Jackson Presentation.

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It is my understanding that the single cut body style is very important to the 36" scale length's neck stability. If you aren't going single cut, you may need graphite reinforcement or something like it (that's George's department though, definitely not mine).

I can see why you would want 36" scale length, but I wonder if it would be worth the down side.

First, your options for strings would be severely limited. It's bad enough being a 6-string bass player trying to get the cool string types the 4- and 5-string bassists get to try, but to get them at that scale? You had better REALLY like the few options available to you, and hope they don't stop making them.

Second, I have a DVD with Anthony playing his 36" scale length bass. It sounds great, but the C string is too tinny sounding for my taste. I don't mind it with AJ because it's AJ and that's his sound, by for my sound I want my C string sounding natural -- like it comes from a bass.

Third, I think of the hand fatigue. In my case, I'm not getting any younger and I would probably play a 36" scale length bass for certain songs only in a set, otherwise I'd be a much less impressive bassist by the end of the night.

On the positive side though, when you are playing above the 24th fret, (chords, solos, etc.), the bass should be easier to play.

Fourth, there is the resale value to consider (as Donovan mentioned). The more unique you make your custom bass, the more you may be constricting the pool of potential buyers. Making your bass a neck through, with piezos, etc. makes the bass pretty distinct. Making it 36 inches in scale length on top of all that makes it one of a kind.

Which, by the way, is absolutely cool. I'm one of those guys who likes one of a kind, but many guys want to sound like the records they are covering, or like the other basses in their genre.

By the way, I should also add that my neck through Fbass is by far the easiest bass I have to play. Once my hands get spoiled to it, they groan at me when I go back to ANY other bass I own, including a 4-string.

As for the BN vs. AC body style, that's a tough call. I'd lean toward AC unless having a more Fender Jazz sounding bass is paramount.

BTW #2, do you slap? There isn't much space between the neck pickup and the 28th fret, so I've had to alter my slap style to not use my middle finger hardly at all. That's not a problem if you don't use it right now I guess, but in case you did I thought I ought to mention that.

I guess if I were you I'd lean toward 34.5" scale length, metal bridge, piezos, chambered AC body -- but that's because I know that combination and it's worked out great for me. You may need something different.


[/QUOTE]Tom...thank you very much for the above post...well detailed and extremely informative...thank you all whom posted.
Just a few things to get back to you with: I too am a hugh AJ fan...and i agree the 36" could become unmanageable after a long gig...gotta think this one through more.
I do not slap...all fingerstyle...I try to pull off a Rocco if i need a little more percussion.

The other question;, with the metal bridge ..is it possible to load strings from top of metal bridge or is it strictly through body only...I presently play Circle K strings with a 0.118"B - 0.025"C..they dont want through body stringing...but i am not above changing strings to FBass brand...actually find the exposed core intriguing!!

Also, With having the neck pickup in the AC (Donovans pic/ couch pic)...do you find it redundant or not necesary that your bridge and piezo can cover everything for you or is this still part of a huge tonal picture?

also, my background is primarily in a jazz setting, but i also sit in a cover band..hey you gotta do what you gotta do!!LOL

Thanks for all your help
 
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Here's my VF-5. It's 70's vibe is something to behold :)

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Tom...thank you very much for the above post...well detailed and extremely informative... thank you all whom posted.
Just a few things to get back to you with: I too am a hugh AJ fan...and i agree the 36" could become unmanageable after a long gig...gotta think this one through more.
I do not slap...all fingerstyle...I try to pull off a Rocco if i need a little more percussion.

The other question;, with the metal bridge ..is it possible to load strings from top of metal bridge or is it strictly through body only...I presently play Circle K strings with a 0.118"B - 0.025"C..they dont want through body stringing...but i am not above changing strings to FBass brand...actually find the exposed core intriguing!!

Also, With having the neck pickup in the AC (Donovans pic/ couch pic)...do you find it redundant or not necesary that your bridge and piezo can cover everything for you or is this still part of a huge tonal picture?

also, my background is primarily in a jazz setting, but i also sit in a cover band..hey you gotta do what you gotta do!!LOL

Thanks for all your help
BRIDGE: My AC6 metal bridge can only be strung through the body. My BN6 bridge strings on top through the bridge.

STRINGS: I do love the Fbass exposed core strings on this bass. They play like soft like light gauge strings, but have the tension and thickness of heavy strings. Nice combination.

NECK PICKUP: Great question. For jazz, I don't think it is that necessary. The bridge pickup with the redwood top and chambers will give you a great Jaco. The piezo will give you a woodiness. But for pop covers, you'll want the neck pickup. It's what gives you the middle of the road, generic bass tone.
 
You realize the "F" in Fbass does not stand for Fodera.

LOL! (at least I assume you're joking). :)

But if not... yeah, he owns at least two F basses (at least according to his profile). He was just getting into the discussion about 36" scales is all.

Thank you, Vic! :) Right you are :) I meant that it's possible to play 36" scale bass any difficult lines or solos :)

So here are my F-babies :) I do love them :)

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