Uh.... you're quoting asking prices from a NJ dealer. That's not quite the bible of guitar values. It is hilarious that you did that, though.
Didn't Lark St. Guitars used to be in the west village in NYC?
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1953 Precision Bass
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Uh.... you're quoting asking prices from a NJ dealer. That's not quite the bible of guitar values. It is hilarious that you did that, though.
Didn't Lark St. Guitars used to be in the west village in NYC?
I quoted the available basses from various dealers. That's all, nothing more, nothing less. (Dealers in New Jersey, Michigan, North Carolina, New York, Florida, Ohio, etc)
Of course the fact that various dealers seem to be pricing slab bodies higher than 2nd gens should tell you something... but instead you'd just like to argue, even when the facts don't support you.
The seller states that all electronics seem to be original, but they are not.
Is there a way to confirm wether the finish is original?
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dukeplaysbass
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Eh...the Vintage Guitar Price Guide (which is the bible that most vintage dealers use) has the early slab basses (51-53) priced higher than the contour basses from 54-56. That's been consistent for the past four years that I've bought the Guide.
What "facts"?
I've been following the pricing on these things for a long, long time. But hey, I'm sure that doesn't stand up against your 10 minutes of internet searching.
Contoured bodies, yes, but contoured bodied (second generation) SCPBs only until mid '57.
dukeplaysbass
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You mean other than the 10+ years I spent working at vintage dealers ? (though to be fair, I took a break from 2000 - 2002, really about 11 years but with a break in between)
You mean other than the fact that I've been buying and selling vintage basses since 1982, when I bought my first one by saving my paycheck from my first job at the age of 13 ?
I like how you supposedly "assume" you know my life, much like you "assume" to know the history of the 53 in the OP.
Facts - price guides, sales, and offering prices for slab bodies is shown to be higher, more often than not. I showed prices, another poster referenced 4 years of buyers guides, etc.....you, OTOH, have provided nothing but opinions based on nothing. You haven't shown one single iota of evidence in this entire thread to support ANY of your arguments.
However, I'm done discussing this with someone who chooses to ignore history, facts, and testimonies from other people. You have fun in your fantasy world...and have a great weekend !
I'll now go figure out how to use the "ignore" feature.....
Go to the top left corner of the page, hit "my talkbass", scroll down to buddy/ignore list, input user name to ignore. Simple and works great.
I learned that today
I'll now go figure out how to use the "ignore" feature.....
Thanks. I'd appreciate that.
dukeplaysbass
Supporting Member
Go to the top left corner of the page, hit "my talkbass", scroll down to buddy/ignore list, input user name to ignore. Simple and works great.
I learned that today
Thanks for the tutorial. It does work well!
IIRC, you have one of those old, worthless, beat-up, ugly, bad smelling, can't-get-laid-if-I-offered-to-pay-for-it early 60s basses, right?
Responding to a few of your many posts in this thread don't make me the zealous one.
Umm.... it seems in your zeal to prove me wrong, you're taking what I say quite literally. When one says "I almost died when that happened", it doesn't mean that person was actually near death.
Likewise, when I say that bass has been by a boiler for 20 years, it doesn't mean "I know for a fact that this bass sat in a corner to the right of a Babcock & Wilcox boiler, model RG-2100 for 20 years exactly. Not a day more or less."
Nor when I say it's been used as a baseball bat/car jack by 2 generations of kids do I mean "The O'Banion kids, George and Horace, used this bass repeatedly to jack up their 1951 Hudson Hornet. And their kids, Maura and Abernathy, used it as a bat for 2 seasons of Little League."
What I'm saying is that this bass has been subject to abuse and neglect beyond "normal playing wear". This is clear from the photos.
It's "poetic license". Do you understand what I'm saying?
Nor am I out to "prove you wrong"--as I said in the part of my post you didn't quote, and implied in the George Porter pictures I posted, you would do well to ease off on your pretty specific assumptions about this bass' history."Almost died" is a very broadly used and general expression. What you said about this bass was (again) far more specific. While I'm sure you didn't actually mean the bass was used as a car jack or a baseball bat, your hyperbolic language nevertheless paints a picture of some pretty extreme abuse. And your certainty that the bass wasn't played for anywhere near 50 years is remarkable, to say the least.
I don't think it's at all clear from the photos that what you're claiming is undoubtedly correct. Again...
And I'm not "throwing a fit", either.
Well.....They are rather rare.
As a proud owner of a few vintage Fenders:'61 all-original J-Bass(Got it in a trade in '88,I traded a de-fretted Fender Bullet Bass!!)'71,'75 Jazzes(w/Badasses-not me!).
And,yes.I PLAY THE HELL OUT OF THEM!Even though I've restricted the '61 to studio-use and"nicer,more civil"gigs(too many redneck drunks fighting in the bars around here).
In the years that I've had the '61,the finish has worn considerably.The nitro was sprayed really,really thin.
So,IMHO,I really don't think the bass in the OP was"mistreated",for the most part.Sure,he/she(the original owner) probably was not polishing it/wiping it down feverishly after every single jam on it(I HATE those kinda people!).
I just like the fact that if they could talk,those old,"well-played"relics(not THOSE relics,the REAL ones!),could really tell some stories.
As for the "sun-bleached",mistreated finish on that '53??As for myself,I like it when I wake up in the morning and the sun is shining thru my blinds on my bass(es),sitting on their stands.I just sit there,with a cup of coffee and a cigarette,no TV,just silence,and look at MY basses.
And,count my blessings that I have some pretty darn significant pieces of history sitting in my den.
PEACE,
Steve
Number of '50s P basses seen on stage within the past 40+ years: 0
Number of '50s P basses seen in person within the past 40+ years: 0
Number of '50s P basses seen on the 'net 6-12 years ago: ~6
Number of '50s P basses seen on the 'net within the last 6 years: 24+
Conclusion : '50s P basses do not exist. We are merely seeing the results of improved versions of Photoshop and the number of people who can use it effectively.
With the exception of Sting, I can't remember the last time I saw someone play any single-coil P bass in public--50's slab, '50s contoured, Tele bass, '51 reissue, you name it. Doesn't make any difference in this discussion.
Your tactics of misdirection and ignoring any points that you can't handle make honest discussion impossible.
edmonstg was gigging his jan/52 P at his blues gigs up until he sold it two months ago.
There's also a german collector among the forums has about ten 50's SCPB (both slab bodies and contour bodies) and says he gigs them.
There are also a few more owners among the forum, and if you do a search you can easily find the thread they picture their basses in, but I don't recall wether they say they gig them or not (like the member here who has four 1951's).
There's also a german collector among the forums has about ten 50's SCPB (both slab bodies and contour bodies) and says he gigs them.
There are also a few more owners among the forum, and if you do a search you can easily find the thread they picture their basses in, but I don't recall wether they say they gig them or not (like the member here who has four 1951's).
As far as local to me, there is a guy who shows up to the blues jam with a refinned '56. Says it was stripped when he bought it.
