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1962 Jazz $20K on the bay
- Thread starter themacinator
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Not really, I've seen a few vintage basses in that condition with the original strings...Not hard to figure since if the bass is in such virtually unused condition it's not surprising that they have the original strings.
That was the most disjointed response I've read.
I'm not sure where you're trying to take the conversation with me, but I'm ending that route right here. No interest in playing with Captain Hostile. I haven't said anything that anyone else hasn't already said in this thread. So feel free to continue to feel like an ass, I have no problem using smiley emoticons
Original factory color is, original paint not so much. In contrast to guitars, in classic cars, a quality restoration is worth more than a dinged up survivor.
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"Original versus Restored as original.... These are two different criteria. Original is described above. Restored as original means the car has been repainted in correct 1960's colors, seats recovered in the right color fabric and grain patterns. The mechanical components, suspension and drivetrain are "stock"... same as offered when the car was built.
Most 40 year old cars have had (at least) the paint and interior "restored as original" (new paint /fabric). Mechanical components wear out and may be replaced with new or rebuilt parts that that are identical to 40 year old components. They have no wear and tear and work as new. If the part has been replaced or painted and the work duplicates the look, color, or operation of the factory made part, it is "restored as original".
A tired "original" car in need of restoration is not inherently more valuable than one that has been restored as original. The exception to this rule is the fabled low mileage car that has been sitting in Grandfathers dry, climate controlled, pest free barn since he lost his spectacles in 1968. The car is cosmetically very presentable ( #2 condition) and and all components are original "Ford Factory Made" in excellent working order , just needs a new battery and drive it away ."
What does that have to do with anything?
I think you know what that is supposed to mean.
Pretty ironic that such a leaned and experienced person participating in a thread that largely is discussing the authenticity of instruments buys such an obvious counterfeit.
Pretty amazing that the same people who you show such utter distain for jump in to help you identify your counterfeit.
And then you go on to say that some AVR series instruments have painted headstocks in your for sale thread after you were told that's not the case and after you bought a counterfeit.
That's same thread where you say the Fender Jaguar was your first real bass guitar. How long have they been around? Jeez, 24 years old and such a expert that you can go head to head with professionals with years of experience. And being extremely disrespectful the entire time instead of shutting up and learning something.
It's also ironic that someone that insists on the science of everything says "...I can safely assume.." in every thread and backs up his false facts with I sold something to somebody once.
You are a pathological troll and nothing more. I see you post completely nonfactual information nearly every day. You have no experience and you know nothing. Anybody can google and then act like they know something like you do. If it were up to me, I'd ban you from the site since you seem to stir up ****storms on a regular basis.
Your pathology now dictates that you spend a half hour going point by and refuting everything I said, or explaining it away. Or maybe insulting me.
But I will not engage with an Ubertroll, so you'll be wasting your time. But you'll do it anyway. Because that's your sickness.
Have fun with your games. I guess you've heard that a few times lately.
It was not an "obvious" counterfeit. I was mistaken in regards to the prevalence of AVRI's with matching headstocks. The thread states they never made one in Shell Pink. As for other colors, they most definitely made some. So I'm not sure what you're referring to or getting at.
As for my "disdain", I have shown absolutely none towards anyone. Nor any disrespect towards anyone's knowledge. My willingness to ask for help in regards to the "AV RI" should be self-evidence that I have no problem asking for help or making myself vulnerable for people to see my deficiencies. If the moderators see me being an idiot, they'll be sure to reprimand me.
As for the rest, if you got a problem, you can PM me. I'm not going to address other threads in this one or any of this personal vendetta in this thread.
I still have much to learn. That's why I'm here. I'm also here though to joke, be a skeptic, and engage people in general conversation. If you don't get the jokes, don't agree with the skepticism, or don't like engaging in realistic conversation, I apologize for you. Not everyone agrees on everything.
Also, my first bass was technically a Washburn. Sorry it wasn't a '64 P-bass.
I agree.
My 1963 had the same mute assembly.
Remember 20K is an asking price.
This bass is in the 15K-18K range.
michael_atw said:
When you consider this statement, you'll realize he's saying he hasn't contributed any value to the topic.
Swweeeeeeet!
iJazz
what a thread ! i just read it from to back, couldent pull myself away. interesting points on both sides, great restraint, and i learned a few things. a few people seem to have a problem believing the bass could survive in such condition. i dont. i collect antique bottles, some of these are from the 1820's and look like they were made yesterday. we call it mint condition. as it left the factory. in my hobby a chip off a bottle the size of a match head could devalue a 50k bottle down to 28k. the biggest wonder is how these bottles survived with not even a scratch. they were not hidden in a case under a bed. they were usually displayed on shelves. like guitars, no one knew back then they would be worth so much money someday, so they did not care for them in any special way. yes, some are found inside walls when demolitioning old buildings. instead of walking to the trash pit, it was easier to seal your lunch and bottle in the wall as you are building it. they were never touched until discovery. but most are not found that way. so my point is, fragile things can survive in mint condition. the points made earlier about the sound changing due to age/playing made me think of a survival course i took. we learned how to 'fire harden" wooden spears. you sharpen a spear then roast/scorch the point over coals, being carefull not to burn it, constantly turning it. i was told what this does is there are thousands of cells and pockets in the wood. by roasting it you evaporate the liquid in the cells and spaces and the sap and resin harden to the interior of each cell, making like an eggshell hard layer surrounding each cell, making it stronger. (and it does). couldent the same thing happen over a long time sitting under a bed and change the wood properties ?
I guess it can be. What I see though is a refinish that matches the original code is always more valuable than a worn out paint job. Car people don't like relics, except for rat rodders who like fake aging and rust.
In the furniture world wiping off fly poop drops the value, so guitar collectors are not the nuttiest of the bunch
In the fine art world restorations also increase the value and are considered to still be the work of the original artist. Who comes up with these rules?
