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1965 Ampeg B-15NF Bias Diode

Totally agree geezer. I've fixed modern amps that cost hundreds on their way to the scrap heap because of an inexpensive part. I much prefer vintage tube amps though. They each seem to have their own soul to me and I enjoy preserving the history. Good luck getting schematics for anything modern. I'm not big on mandates but I think if a company sells you something, they should give you everything you need to maintain it. Just seems ridiculous to me that they don't and flat out refuse to if you're not in their special circle of trust. Like I'm going to take their schematics and steal their crappy ideas. lol

As somebody who has had designs appropriated, a shared copy of the documentation made this both easier and less costly. This was in fact costly to me and those who make their living from designing and building such products.

It's the key component for the negative bias voltage.
It has NOTHING to do with the voltage of the bias circuit, the drop across the diode is a ~fixed value in the forward direction, that’s how a diode works. ANY silicon rectifier diode will have the same voltage drop (called Vf)
 
The high wattage resistor in the bias circuit runs hot and tends to drift out of spec, both in the cathode and fixed bias revisions. The diode in the fixed bias revision is prone to failure.
I'm curious to know why that diode would be prone to failure? The current through it in the case of a bias supply should be almost nothing.

Edit: In looking at the schematic, I see they too also float the heaters at 50V, but negative 50V in this case. However, I think floating them at a positive voltage with respect to the cathodes would tend to be more quiet.

I guess a heater to cathode short could potentially take out the bias supply diode.
 
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While I hate to see butchered amps, there are some modifications that are worth performing. Of course, the work has to be done with care. Jess Oliver, the designer, used to service these amps and performed a number of upgrades on them. Things that he thought should be done.

ONE IMPORTANT SUGGESTION. CHANGE ONE THING AT A TIME AND TEST THE AMP AFTERWARDS.

Changing to a three-conductor power cord is a good idea. When doing so, test or remove the so called death cap. The black cap in the image above.

When this amp was designed, the Ampeg tubes sold at the time were inexpensive and pretty much plug-and-play. Resetting the bias was not usually necessary. Setting the bias required changing a resistor which meant soldering on the PCB. Today, tubes are expensive and less consistent. In order to optimize performance setting the bias when changing the power tubes is often required. Having a pot adjustable bias is a good feature. Another upgrade Jess performed and it's in all the modern Ampeg B-15 revisions.

There are known issues with these amps. The original Mallory cap can does not last 60 years, the rubber seal dries and cracks with the internal pressure. When amps that have sat unused for long periodsare put back into service, it can hasten the failure of this component.

The high wattage resistor in the bias circuit runs hot and tends to drift out of spec, both in the cathode and fixed bias revisions. The diode in the fixed bias revision is prone to failure.

The braid in shielded wires in the preamp is prone to rusting. The rusted areas tend to crack, this affects the shielding and leads to noise. Apexjr.com sells a very good one conductor shielded wire that I use.

A common issue is oxidation behind the input jack. This is the bus ground point and can make the amp hum. This point needs to be inspected and cleaned. Often the locking washer is so badly corroded that the plating is gone and it needs to be changed.
Baseed on my experience, the PEC tone control modules can have issues and should be inspected. They are an encased network of ceramic capacitors and carbon composition resistors. The tolerance of the resistors were +/- 20%, 1/5 Watt. The capacitor tolerance was +50% and -20% in the 1000mmF range, and +/- 20% in the 100mmF range. The working voltage of the capacitors was 450 VDC, 800 VDC flash.

Issues with these modules that I've seen include broken wires, cracks in the body, out of spec components. With two channels, ideally you want both models close to each other, they can be far apart. When a channel doesn't sound righ to my ears, it can sound muddy or what some call cloaked, changing this part can make the channel sound quieter and clearer. I don't condone changing them as a matter of course but sometimes it is necessary, even if the components read within spec

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Some of these amps do not have grid stopper resistors on the first stage input of one of the channels (channel 2, intended for accordion). It can help with RFI pickup to install one.

Check the isolation washers on the jack on the back. The EXT SPKR jack shoud have an isolation washer set to avoid a ground loop. Amps with speaker cords are isolated, if this has been modified to install a jack, I like to isolate the jack rather than ground the return on the chassis. I find that the speaker return wire is quietest at phase inverter ground point on the bus.

The beauity of these amps is that if they are healthy, they can be very quiet. The quietest that I've heard. The tone is amazing.
Great information Beans and thank you! Keeping your post for reference. Interesting about the external speaker jack. I wouldn't have thought to look at that. I've looked and the isolation washers are there. I've also read that there can be significant drift in the PEC modules. I will inspect them, check values..etc. If they aren't physically damaged, I'm not going to do anything with them until after I've listened to the amp after it's complete.
 
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As somebody who has had designs appropriated, a shared copy of the documentation made this both easier and less costly. This was in fact costly to me and those who make their living from designing and building such products.


It has NOTHING to do with the voltage of the bias circuit, the drop across the diode is a ~fixed value in the forward direction, that’s how a diode works. ANY silicon rectifier diode will have the same voltage drop (called Vf)
Nothing? So it's not a rectifier? I know how a diode works thanks.
 
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I'm curious to know why that diode would be prone to failure? The current through it in the case of a bias supply should be almost nothing.

Edit: In looking at the schematic, I see they too also float the heaters at 50V, but negative 50V in this case. However, I think floating them at a positive voltage with respect to the cathodes would tend to be more quiet.

I guess a heater to cathode short could potentially take out the bias supply diode.

The issue with the diode failure has more to do with circuit layout. The heat from close proximity to hot components stresses the diode. Some of the diodes that they used had light gauge leads that could go brittle. Likewise the power tube cathode bias 250 ohm power resistor in the early revisions always charred the eyelet board. Hindsight teaches us that a 1mm or two offset from the eyelet board would have helped. These are cases where a change in layout or mounting could prevent long term issues. At the time, they were built to the standard of the day.

There are many revisions, some provide a voltage offset for the heater, others don’t. None of these amps have a heater centre tap transformer winding. On paper, an offset from circuit ground makes sense, it doesn’t alway help though. The 6L6GC has a maximum heater positive and heater negative spec of heater to cathode offset of 200V. Not sure if one is better than the other in this case. Often they use +50VDC because it is easy to derive from the cathode parallel resistor/capacitor.
 
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It IS a rectifier, that why it has nothing to do with the bias voltage.
Ok. Understood. When you say it has nothing to do with the voltage, that's not entirely true. It's a critical part in changing that AC into the required DC. I don't want to trust a possibly 56 year old p-n junction to do the rectification in that circuit. It very well may work for another 50 years or another week. It's not tone related so it will get replaced. My concern was the 10D6 is rating for slightly higher current but Vintage Blue said the manual called for a 1amp so the 4007 will work.
 
How much current do you think the rectifier is passing under normal conditions?
I'd have to do the math but I'd say very little or they'd have a bigger diode. Just finished a '66 ProReverb a few weeks ago that had a bad one. Not looking to go back into this amp for an 80 cent part that has nothing to do with tone is all.
 
Ok. Understood. When you say it has nothing to do with the voltage, that's not entirely true. It's a critical part in changing that AC into the required DC. I don't want to trust a possibly 56 year old p-n junction to do the rectification in that circuit. It very well may work for another 50 years or another week. It's not tone related so it will get replaced. My concern was the 10D6 is rating for slightly higher current but Vintage Blue said the manual called for a 1amp so the 4007 will work.
Yes, it is entirely true. The voltage will not change no matter what silicon rectifier you put in there, it's a completely non-critical part from that standpoint.

The original part is a very good part, well manufactured (I believe it carried a mil spec rating as well as commercial) and will likely outlast you by decades if not centuries.

The current being drawn is in the "few" mA range. Anything over 500mA is overkill, the 1 amp parts are simply the most common, most available and least expensive parts in circulation which is why they are used. I have used these parts in tube amp designs of which there were probably around 10,000 built. Never ever saw a problem.

Understanding the circuit and how it works would make it obvious why your questions don't really make sense. Your assumptions are simply incorrect, resulting in just as incorrect conclusions.
 
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