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~1979 Gibson Ripper SECOND value?

I was a Gibson dealer from '77 - '88. Seconds were strictly cosmetic flaws. In fact, we didn't know we were getting a second until we got the instruments in and saw a "2" or "SSECOND" under the serial number. They all had serial numbers however.

As a dealer we could return a second after it arrived, but they didn't give us a real price break. As much as I like some Gibson guitars, the company, no matter who has owned them, have always been arrogant turds.

John
 
Ok, I got it for $750... probably could have talked him down a little more but he was pretty bummed to let it go (financial reasons) and to be honest, $25-50 to him is a lot more than me so I call it a good price.

Owner bought it in '79 from a guitar shop in Cali. He said it's possible it was a new Second but he can't remember if it was new or used when he bought it. Back in the early 80's, he bypassed the tone controls and pickup selector and ran the pickups straight through the volume pot to output. Crazy! So I get to rewire the whole thing. Both pickups work, low noise, and are not microphonic one bit. Seller was a bit confused when I started yelling at the body of the bass. :P

Fretboard, bridge, and nut are all in fantastic shape. There's one tiny hairline crack about 3/32" long in the fretboard finish between the A and D strings on 12th fret that doesn't affect playing at all. Frets have definitely been filed down a little bit but it plays beautifully. Neck is ridiculously straight with 45 slinkys on it. Tuning keys are tarnished, one has a small chip in the chrome finish, but all four have decent movement with no signs of grinding or major dirtiness.

The pickguard is pretty warped as you can see in the pics but it doesn't get in the way of playing.

He has no clue what happened to the bridge cover which is unfortunate considering the value they're going for on eBay, but I personally wouldn't use it anyway. He said he's going to look for it when he cleans out his basement but I'm not optimistic.

I've never seen a choke wired into a guitar before... what's the purpose in this case? Does it enable the mid-range tone controls? Any technical explanation how it works? Is it just a variable capacitor? All the pots are filthy and the volume knob only works from 9.75 to 10.0... the rest is just static. I'm going to try to clean everything out, but in the event that they're beyond servicing, any reason why I can't order a new CTS pot to replace the factory one attached to the choke? I'm thinking about the fitment of a replacement pot against that choke being a potential problem. Are the new Gibson Ripper reissue parts close enough in spec that I could use those parts if need be?

As for the caps, looks to have a .1u tantalum (red and small, not a fish as far as I know) and a black .047u mica. Those will stay in place.

The bridge ground wire has what appears to be only a single strand of wire connected at each end. Is that expected or should I replace it when I rewire?
 
As far as the pickguard is concerned...try the glass in the sun trick. Some dudes have done it in the oven at a low temp. Otherwise they will show up on Ebay from time to time...as do those bridge covers.

I'd spray out the pots with contact cleaner and work them open and close for a few minutes...that stuff works wonders. Otherwise CTS pots would fit the bill...I would not be concerned with getting Ripper or Grabber reissue parts...I'd either bite the bullet and hunt down NOS parts or just go with CTS, it is not a museum piece after all, but a rock and roll warhorse.

The ground wire is this VERY thin, incredibly wimpy wire...yes, that it is. It looks pathetic, haha.

Congrats! Give it some love and play it hard :hyper:
 
Thanks, already found that site. :)

The serial number is 6-digit starting with 4 which leads me to think it's a '74-75, but all the descriptions on fly guitar indicate it's a '78. 3-screw pickup mount, pickup numbers directly on pick guard, metal through-hole plate on back of body. But 6 digit serial? I emailed Gibson... let's see if they can figure it out. I'm guessing the Second bodies/necks sat around for awhile and they cleared em out in 78, but who knows.

Going to use some deoxit on all the pots and pup selector and then rewire. You're right though, it's not a show piece so who cares about the Gibby reissues... just wanted to make sure a CTS would fit up against that choke.
 
Bummer, but if it can't be revived Ripper pickups pop up in the usual places from time to time. Also Seymour Duncan custom shop does Ripper replacement pickups:

http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/custom-shop/bass-2/ripper_bass_rep/

I haven't used them, but they are drop in and supposedly close to orignal specs.

Congrats on the bass. The hassles of getting her in shape are worth it. Amazing necks and nothing else sounds quite like a Ripper...
 
Bummer, but if it can't be revived Ripper pickups pop up in the usual places from time to time. Also Seymour Duncan custom shop does Ripper replacement pickups:

http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/custom-shop/bass-2/ripper_bass_rep/

I haven't used them, but they are drop in and supposedly close to orignal specs.

Congrats on the bass. The hassles of getting her in shape are worth it. Amazing necks and nothing else sounds quite like a Ripper...

SD only sells the 2-screw pup from the older models, this one uses the 3 screw and the pockets/pickguard holes are not big enough for the 2-screw. Tom Bentley (recommended by Lindy Fralin on the phone today) will rewind it for $60. Sounds good to me... shipping out tomorrow.

The whole thing is wired up so I just popped the neck pup in the bridge and wired it as if it were the bridge pup (they're the same) so I'll just play bridge-only until I get the other one back.

For all the issues I had with the electronics, the body/neck is in great shape. Plays very nice. It'll get there. Not sure if it's going to replace my Aerodyne for regular play, but it'll do great during recording.

Side note: seller lied through his teeth about the lack of work that's been done on this. It was very clear that this thing has been soldered and resoldered countless times. There were FOUR leads stuck in the solder on one of the pot lugs.

Also, holy shat are the wiring diagrams and Gibby schems floating around the net incorrect. Treb/Mid pot names swapped on diagrams, flat out wrong wiring schemes, etc. I had to go from a gut shot of a '78 and rebuild the diagram myself (Attached). Note: I failed to denote the polarity on the .1u tantalum cap in the diagram. POSITIVE TO MID LUG 1, NEGATIVE TO TONE LUG 2. Not sure if it actually matters in this circuit though.

Going to cut a .090 3-ply pickguard at Fender in a few weeks. Anyone need one? It's as easy to cut two as it is one.
 

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Side note: seller lied through his teeth about the lack of work that's been done on this. It was very clear that this thing has been soldered and resoldered countless times. There were FOUR leads stuck in the solder on one of the pot lugs.

I am sorry to hear this. I tend to be honest to a fault and I am always disappointed when others don't treat people the same.

Good luck with everything. Hope it all turns out perfect.
 
Send a polite email to Gibson. They'll send you to a link for the real schematic. They did for me at least. And yes, I too have seen some schematics for the Ripper that are flat out wrong too.

FYI The polarity on the cap shouldn't matter in a passive circuit. Nor should the type of cap it is.
 
Looks beautiful. $800 is slightly steep given there is no bridge or strings, but you could get a vintage bridge for no more than $200...or a newer one for less than $100.

Buy it, fix it up, give it the love it deserves. Try and haggle on the missing bridge.
Yeah, talk the seller down on the missing bridge. There are cheapo chinese replacements out on ebay (I ordered one just to have one in black), but if you don't care about looking vintage, but want less "thud" in the sound, I highly recommend the Hipshot Supertone bridge.

Edit: read the whole thread before responding, d'oh! The Supertone is still an option worth considering (assuming it's got the 3 point mount bridge).
 
Enormous Gibson bass fan. Been playing solely Rippers and RD's for about 10 years now. You know how there are die hard Fender dudes that scoff at anything other than Fender? I'm a Gibson elitist. I love them, and wear it on my sleeve...but try not to be overly militant. People all have opinions.

As far as strings...I am an advocate for Rotosound Swing Bass 45-105. They are extra long scale...so you can put the strings through the body...extra sustain.

The pickguards do have a tendency to warp, and some can be pretty bad...but there are some at home remedies to fix it. Or buy an NOS one...they pop up on Ebay time to time.
I bought my Ripper in 1975 new it was my first "real" bass paid 575.00 for it and have never EVER put it down yeah that is 40 years!

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I bought my Ripper in 1975 new it was my first "real" bass paid 575.00 for it and have never EVER put it down yeah that is 40 years!

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Wow! You're like me! Got mine brand spankin' new in April of 1974. Only paid something like $350 for it with case. My brother-in-law's mother worked at Boston Music and got me a super deal on it. (Adjusted for inflation that $350 equals over $1600 in today's money.) Still got it and use it as my main bass.

Like the before picture too. Looks like me in my old band - right down to the hair and the "stage satins" and thinner body <sigh!>

Oh well...at least I still have the Ripper and (knock wood) a full head of hair. Can't say I miss the Frampton-style stage outfit though. White silk wasn't really my style.
 
Wow! You're like me! Got mine brand spankin' new in April of 1974. Only paid something like $350 for it with case. My brother-in-law's mother worked at Boston Music and got me a super deal on it. (Adjusted for inflation that $350 equals over $1600 in today's money.) Still got it and use it as my main bass.

Like the before picture too. Looks like me in my old band - right down to the hair and the "stage satins" and thinner body <sigh!>

Oh well...at least I still have the Ripper and (knock wood) a full head of hair. Can't say I miss the Frampton-style stage outfit though. White silk wasn't really my style.
Cool glad to hear it. Shot in 1978 that outfit was a gold satin with kiss (the band) white leather boots all original band even had a 4 song Ep out in the stores back then that was just before I stripped my hair white. fun times