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2 heads better than one?
- Thread starter markmeloney
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I'd love to run through both my rigs simultaneously!!
Though I'd wanna go through both heads via a Morley A/B pedal or something similar for a kinda "tri-amp" setup(the 800 is bi-amp able), of course I do realize its kinda impractical unless I was playing outdoors with no PA support, in which case ROCK ON!!
Though I'd wanna go through both heads via a Morley A/B pedal or something similar for a kinda "tri-amp" setup(the 800 is bi-amp able), of course I do realize its kinda impractical unless I was playing outdoors with no PA support, in which case ROCK ON!!
All you need is one instrument cable to run both. Just decide which preamp you want to use and use the effects send from that preamp to the effects return of the other. If you use the 800RB as slave (effects return in) the Biamp will still function. You are one cord away from trying it out. 
All you need is one instrument cable to run both. Just decide which preamp you want to use and use the effects send from that preamp to the effects return of the other. If you use the 800RB as slave (effects return in) the Biamp will still function. You are one cord away from trying it out.
Sweet!! I bookmarked this...I'll have to grab one of my extra cables from work to try this out!! I've really never tried this and always kept my setups pretty simple, now if i could build a couple fEARful 12's or 15's to run the 800 thru bi-amped (and ditch the Hartkes), I'd be in business
...Just so this is clear, your saying if I used the 400's preamp sound into the FX return on the the 800, I could split the 400's signal??!! I much prefer the 400 right now, so this sounds like a winner to me!!
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Sweet!! I bookmarked this...I'll have to grab one of my extra cables from work to try this out!! I've really never tried this and always kept my setups pretty simple, now if i could build a couple fEARful 12's or 15's to run the 800 thru bi-amped (and ditch the Hartkes), I'd be in business
Just so this is clear, your saying if I used the 400's preamp sound into the FX return on the the 800, I could split the 400's signal??!! I much prefer the 400 right now, so this sounds like a winner to me!!
Yes sir, the electronic crossover in the 800RB is post effects return.
I've always enjoyed the tone that is avaiable from running two amps.
One band I play in doesn't require it but the other does.
For example... I will run my Boogie head through one or two Uber 115 cabs and my Genz SM through one or two Uber Quads depending on gig needs.
I split the signal out of the stereo sends from echo, chorus and verb, and in the mono chain prior to that are octave, dirt boxes, compression, volume and wireless/tuner.
The Boogie is running a bit more gain so there's some very nice grind on that end. The SM 9.2 is strictly for clean tone. The tonal blend is beyond anything a single amp could ever muster.
Yes... It's a lot of gear but the reward of tone is far beyond any complaints of having two much gear on stage.
One band I play in doesn't require it but the other does.
For example... I will run my Boogie head through one or two Uber 115 cabs and my Genz SM through one or two Uber Quads depending on gig needs.
I split the signal out of the stereo sends from echo, chorus and verb, and in the mono chain prior to that are octave, dirt boxes, compression, volume and wireless/tuner.
The Boogie is running a bit more gain so there's some very nice grind on that end. The SM 9.2 is strictly for clean tone. The tonal blend is beyond anything a single amp could ever muster.
Yes... It's a lot of gear but the reward of tone is far beyond any complaints of having two much gear on stage.
One really good head and one really good cab is one-hundred percent better than 3 or 4 crappy heads connected to 3 or 4 crappy cabs that are placed in a pile (and we all know what usually comes in piles) on stage for the sake of looking somehow cool to people who don't know any better.
But on the other hand, if how you look to people who don't know any better is more important than how you sound to people who do know better then maybe...
But then maybe I ought to try this. I have 3 really quite good amp/cab set ups. Maybe I should just hook them all together and give it a go.
But on the other hand, if how you look to people who don't know any better is more important than how you sound to people who do know better then maybe...
But then maybe I ought to try this. I have 3 really quite good amp/cab set ups. Maybe I should just hook them all together and give it a go.
I would prefer to have the output signal from the master amp be exactly the same as the signal it's receiving from my bass. That way the slave will have the same input signal as the master (safer i assume). Although I'm certain a little gain manipulation can take care of it. I eq with an eq pedal and leave my heads flat
I definitely won't jam like thay with my second band. It would be too much. But my first band has the loudest drummer on earth. The guitarists got loud rigs as a result, and me, I'm in the corner with seemingly nothing coming out of my ampI'd be lying if I said I have never done this. I didn't do it in a band situation though... just hooked it up at the house to see how loud it would be. Yup. Pretty loud. No practical use for me though. Maybe I am an old fogey.
I've heard that strange impedances like that can damage a head. Although i can't see why. But yeah, the 8 ohm 410 getting more than half the power means that i couldn't really use the full power of my head without blowing the speakers. It seems like the 2 head scenario gives me the most volume. No more clipping running cabs a max.
Don't do it. I'll probably not use the whole setup together like that often. But i have to try it at least once. And it's there as an option if i need it
Man, I sure am glad that I'm young and dumb enough for hauling my collection of gear around and forcing everybody to listen to me overplay my bass parts in a metal song. I bet the band would sound better if we all stopped playing, but that's not very much fun for anybody.
Anyway, my rig actually consists of two heads running three cabs. A mesa 400+ into two 2x15 cabs, with a slave to a 100w guitar running a folded horn 2x15 cab. Everything works fine.
Anyway, my rig actually consists of two heads running three cabs. A mesa 400+ into two 2x15 cabs, with a slave to a 100w guitar running a folded horn 2x15 cab. Everything works fine.
You're right about leaving the "cool look" factor out of the equation.
Most importantly is tone.
You may be pleasantly surprised! Give it a shot specially if you have some nice gear.
I also don't do it for the volume even though it's great to have it if you need it and the extra headroom is always welcome.
It also depends on the music and what your goals are for your rown trademark sound. That's why I use two amps for the all original act. It's where I have developed a sound that is uniquely my own. (The use and variety of tone and effects have a lot to do with that but the two amps seal the deal nicely specially off a stereo effects send.
I've started a revolution! HahahaSweet!! I bookmarked this...I'll have to grab one of my extra cables from work to try this out!! I've really never tried this and always kept my setups pretty simple, now if i could build a couple fEARful 12's or 15's to run the 800 thru bi-amped (and ditch the Hartkes), I'd be in business
Just so this is clear, your saying if I used the 400's preamp sound into the FX return on the the 800, I could split the 400's signal??!! I much prefer the 400 right now, so this sounds like a winner to me!!
That's what teenagers in garage bands think like. All that setup would lead to are issues with things such as blending with your bandmates and the sound guy trying to get a decent tone for you with no success. More volume does not help the sound guy, less does. If you're blasting 1000 plus watts then the sound guy will likely not have enough room to REMOVE your voice from the mix. Sure, if your guitarists had huge rigs as well then they would be able to match you, but the drummer and vocalist(s) and any other auxiliary voices would be killed in the mix because they rely on the PA.
The setup you aspire to use is asinine unless you're playing in a stadium for thousands of people, which I think it's safe to assume you're not. If you still want to look "cool as F***" then buy a bunch of empty cabs and make a mountain on the stage with them, but only plug one 4*10 in and use that.
Sorry if this response sounded hostile, but people that do things like this are who really piss me off. You don't know how many guitarists I've had to boot from bands because they felt the need to lug a full 8*12 stack to a lousy bar gig in order to boost their egos and make up for their lack of talent.
Music is about sound, not looks. Actually, music IS sound! Not saying that music cannot be combined with looks, because it can, and that's how people put together stage acts; with their wacky outfits and makeup and colorful instruments. But destroying the sound quality of the band just so you "look cool" defeats the purpose of making music. If somebody joins a band to look cool, and that is all, then they should just go be actors or pick up heroin instead (because hard drugs make you 'look cool as F***').
Sorry again, OP. Do not take any of the above personally, because this turned out being my rant towards some of the guitarists I've worked with in the past, and I forgot for a moment what your post was in the first place...
TL;DR - Do not make that rig! Much better sound quality with just one of those amps. Impress the audience with your playing, not how huge of a rig you can lug out there.
Lose.
Sorry, I really have to call out on spelling now and then. Saves wear on the teeth.
If that is your biggest irritation in your life, more power to ya! (It was actually a spell check that failed there, I was too tired to out think it.)
(It was actually a spell check that failed there, I was too tired to out think it.)
I don't know what that means but it sounds important enough for me to agree with it.
You're getting close to being syncophantic.
