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210 cabs for metal
- Thread starter Bofink
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You might have to list specific cabs for a meaningful comparison. Driver size tells you nothing about how a cab will sound.
If you are comparing 210's that are from the same make/model as the 410's, then they should sound pretty much the same, except that you can stack them vertically, which is supposedly a good thing (I have never had the chance to try it for myself).
(Oh, and you can just take 1 when you don't need 2)
(Oh, and you can just take 1 when you don't need 2)
In general within the same brand and product line 2 2x10 vs 4x10, I would expect the 2x10 stack to have a slightly tighter sound. Maybe more mid and low mid emphasis where the 4x10 would probably have bigger and more open feeling lows. That has been my experience.
A lot of 2x10's are still pretty bulky. The last 2x10 I owned was like 68 lbs and a pain to move! One of the worst cabs I've ever lugged around. It would have looked ridiculous to put wheels on that anklebiter but I wanted to.
If you want to go compact and modular I think 1x12's (IMO the new "2x10") have slightly easier dimensions to work with and there are many options available with Neo drivers (so ~40lb instead of 60-70!). I'd love to own a second PH 112 cab and it would be a killer rig.
With all that said if I were to do 2 2x10 it would look like this (recently posted on another thread)- https://static.talkbass.com/data/at.../1527709_673028e6b9f682619bb8da5ee139b5ba.jpg
A lot of 2x10's are still pretty bulky. The last 2x10 I owned was like 68 lbs and a pain to move! One of the worst cabs I've ever lugged around. It would have looked ridiculous to put wheels on that anklebiter but I wanted to.
If you want to go compact and modular I think 1x12's (IMO the new "2x10") have slightly easier dimensions to work with and there are many options available with Neo drivers (so ~40lb instead of 60-70!). I'd love to own a second PH 112 cab and it would be a killer rig.
With all that said if I were to do 2 2x10 it would look like this (recently posted on another thread)- https://static.talkbass.com/data/at.../1527709_673028e6b9f682619bb8da5ee139b5ba.jpg
I've played small metal and modern rock shows w/ an Eden 210XLT. IME it was useful...but just to a point. I kinda saw it as a personal monitor, and that it was too heavy for it's performance. Now days, I would suggest 2x 112 cabs like the new Fender Rumble V3 112 cabs. you might get more power handling with pair of single driver cabs than a 210.
a 410 vertical stack wont necessarily be louder. actually to my ears a stack of 2 112s would sound nicer for heavy music because of the way they break up when pushed, then again, 10" sound pretty focused too. so..10's are tight, and 12's are more metal imo. some say, the vertical stack of 410s will be felt and heard better than 2x12s because of the height of the speakers. my opinion on that is that, for the most part, bass isnt too directional in a band setting, you just can tell that it's coming from "that speaker box behind you".
When I had my 410, I found that stacking another 410 sided much better with the crowded metal sonic space, giving me more clean headroom to do what I needed
Given that metal usually=loud, and a 2x10=not too loud, your options are kind of limited to an F210, BFM 2x10 of some sort, or expanding your options on driver sizes.
my experience with Mesa 210 cabs says the 410 is a better sounding option than 2x210. i'd guess it has to do with the box the speakers live in. the 4/6/810 cabs have more oopmh than the 210. the 210 isn't just a smaller version of the same sound.
If your drummer is loud and the guitard(s) using a 4x12 or even more, 4x10 is the smallest you should go. 2x10 + 2x10 has the benefit of vertical stacking and the possibility of taking only one cab (when you're sure you get a good monitor on stage or when you're playing something else than metal).
The downside is that the total weight increases and that you will likely get two 8 ohms cabs and not be able to add another cab if your amp can't push past 4 ohms.
As stated above, in most cases, the 2x10 cabs will have a tighter mid/lower mid range but less booty - i can't say that for the Warwicks, i never played them.
I would not suggest 2 112 cabs unless you get really loud ones - these don't come cheap. When i'm playing metal, i need more than one 212. 112 might be the new 210, but only if a new cab of good quality replaces an old model. In the same productline a 112 is slightly less than a 210, just as a 212 is slightliy less than a 410. In most metal bands, you will have to put up with a drummer that hits hard and a guitar amp that is cranked, so you need the horsepower.
The downside is that the total weight increases and that you will likely get two 8 ohms cabs and not be able to add another cab if your amp can't push past 4 ohms.
As stated above, in most cases, the 2x10 cabs will have a tighter mid/lower mid range but less booty - i can't say that for the Warwicks, i never played them.
I would not suggest 2 112 cabs unless you get really loud ones - these don't come cheap. When i'm playing metal, i need more than one 212. 112 might be the new 210, but only if a new cab of good quality replaces an old model. In the same productline a 112 is slightly less than a 210, just as a 212 is slightliy less than a 410. In most metal bands, you will have to put up with a drummer that hits hard and a guitar amp that is cranked, so you need the horsepower.
Dont look towards a specific driver size. Find a cab you like the sound of regardless of what size drivers are in it.
Any driver size really. The size of the driver has very little to do with how to it sounds.
That said, there are a lot of really good new 12" loaded cabs out there.
Yeah, shops here in Finland are pretty dreadful when it comes to amps and cabs. What's your maximum budget and what amp do you use?Guess I'll have to take a trip to the store, too bad they are so few stores with proper bass gear.
One store has an used Hartke HyDrive 410 cab for 400 €. Victor Wooten uses them if I remember correctly. also, it's light(68 lbs)
OP, I just saw you are in Finland.
Depending on your budget, you may want to look at the Barefaced Big Twin II or Super Twin.
Depending on your budget, you may want to look at the Barefaced Big Twin II or Super Twin.
