210 x2 vs 410

[zortation]

Just throwing this out there. A pair of Acme Low B-2s would be a great move up in tone and low end power. Comparing his stuff to the run of the mill Aguilar stuff is pretty pointless, and he sells direct to the customer so his prices are reasonable. As long as you have a powerful amp it would be a ridiculous setup

 

[Rip Van Dan]

Currently, I'm playing an Aguilar TM700 through an Aguilar SL210 (8ohms) for smaller gigs and use my SWR Goliath III (410, 4ohms) when necessary. To my ears, the Goliath sounds incredible, but at 90lbs and pretty bulky, load-ins are annoying, at best.

To make my life easier, and since I love the punch of 410s, do you think I'd be better off getting:

1. a 2nd SL210 for when I need the power of 4ohms; or
2. an SL410 for gigs where I need more power?

Having 2 SL210s would be heavier (70lbs vs 49lbs), and and there would be 2 things to carry instead of 1.

Other than being cheaper, is there a benefit to having option 1 vs option 2 above that is escaping me?

Thanks!

I can tell you I did it the wrong way.

In 2015, when I bought a DNS-410, I expected it to be the last cab I would ever need to buy. I actually get told to turn down at Music Festivals in wide open spaces if I turn the master on my 800-watt Eden amp up to 10:30. So no need to haul around an 810 for such events. And then I rolled my 410 into a small brewpub where the owner said it was way to big for their place and made me play through a small 112 combo. So I had to go out and by a 112 cab for that because we hosted Friday night Open-Mic Nights there over 40 times a year. Then, as I mentioned above, I bought a second one for medium sized venues. Used that 2x112 set up for about a year before I got accepted as a DNA Endorsing Artist and bought myself a DNS-210.

I have 4 cabs that I currently use. My mainstay is my DNS-210 cab by DNA. It handles 700-watts rms and gets so loud that I use it at all my indoor venues including large venues. Before I got that 210 I normally used my DNS-410 (handles 1400-watts rms) for large and outdoor venues as well as Music Festivals. I also have two Eden EX-112 cabs. I bought the first one for use in small venues and it sounded so good I bought the second one to use for medium gigs instead of using my 410 for the medium gigs. Still used my DNS-410 for large and outdoor venues as well as music festivals.

I've used my 210 cab in small venues, medium venues, and even large venues. At outdoor venues and Musical Festivals, I still bring out my DNS-410, but most of the time I'm playing indoors and just use my DNS-210 cab. And, at 52-lbs it weighs quite a bit less than the 79-lbs of my 410.

If I had it to do over again, I would go the way of buying two 210 cabs. Use one for small and medium venues and, if it's loud enough, large indoor venues too. Add the second 210 cab whenever one is not enough. Now two of my 210 cabs would weigh more than one 410, but I'd only need to pull that second cab out for outdoor venues and I can use just a single 210 the rest of the time. AND, I wouldn't have needed to buy 112 cabs I ended up with because nobody looks twice at a bass player bringing in a 210 cab. So one top-quality 210 cab would handle all my indoor venues.

I definitely recommend getting two top-quality 210 cabs instead of a 410.

Below is a shot of my 210 on top of my 410 with my 800-watt Eden amp above it. I only had the 210 plugged in and had the 410 there just in case the 210 wasn't enough. It was more than enough and my 410 was just an amp stand that night.
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[Rip Van Dan]

I can tell you I did it the wrong way.

In 2015, when I bought a DNS-410, I expected it to be the last cab I would ever need to buy. I actually get told to turn down at Music Festivals in wide open spaces if I turn the master on my 800-watt Eden amp up to 10:30. So no need to haul around an 810 for such events. And then I rolled my 410 into a small brewpub where the owner said it was way to big for their place and made me play through a small 112 combo. So I had to go out and by a 112 cab for that because we hosted Friday night Open-Mic Nights there over 40 times a year. Then, as I mentioned above, I bought a second one for medium sized venues. Used that 2x112 set up for about a year before I got accepted as a DNA Endorsing Artist and bought myself a DNS-210.

I have 4 cabs that I currently use. My mainstay is my DNS-210 cab by DNA. It handles 700-watts rms and gets so loud that I use it at all my indoor venues including large venues. Before I got that 210 I normally used my DNS-410 (handles 1400-watts rms) for large and outdoor venues as well as Music Festivals. I also have two Eden EX-112 cabs. I bought the first one for use in small venues and it sounded so good I bought the second one to use for medium gigs instead of using my 410 for the medium gigs. Still used my DNS-410 for large and outdoor venues as well as music festivals.

I've used my 210 cab in small venues, medium venues, and even large venues. At outdoor venues and Musical Festivals, I still bring out my DNS-410, but most of the time I'm playing indoors and just use my DNS-210 cab. And, at 52-lbs it weighs quite a bit less than the 79-lbs of my 410.

If I had it to do over again, I would go the way of buying two 210 cabs. Use one for small and medium venues and, if it's loud enough, large indoor venues too. Add the second 210 cab whenever one is not enough. Now two of my 210 cabs would weigh more than one 410, but I'd only need to pull that second cab out for outdoor venues and I can use just a single 210 the rest of the time. AND, I wouldn't have needed to buy 112 cabs I ended up with because nobody looks twice at a bass player bringing in a 210 cab. So one top-quality 210 cab would handle all my indoor venues.

I definitely recommend getting two top-quality 210 cabs instead of a 410.

Below is a shot of my 210 on top of my 410 with my 800-watt Eden amp above it. I only had the 210 plugged in and had the 410 there just in case the 210 wasn't enough. It was more than enough and my 410 was just an amp stand that night.

Couldn't get the picture to work in previous post, so here it is:

 

[Jeff Scott]

BTW, get two of the same thing!

This.

 

[Olof Broberg]

Would the tone hammer 500 work well with a markbass 410 cabinet? I play a serek MW and a fender P?

 

[SJan3]

Would the tone hammer 500 work well with a markbass 410 cabinet? I play a serek MW and a fender P?

I use a Tonehammer 350 with two MarkBass 102p cabs. I'm very happy with the Aguilar/MarkBass combo.

 

[Coot]

I'm a huge fan of 2x 210's overall. I mainly use two Ampeg SVT 210AV's because of the weight factor, more transportable and efficient for me. I do also have a Hartke 410XL at my disposal whenever needed but the thought of lugging that thing place to place and the weight just makes my back ache thinking about it.

I also have 2 x (2x10) Ampegs stacked. I had a Fender Rumble 4x10 that I once had to wrestle up a long narrow flight of stairs alone and said " Okay .. that's enough of that ". Nothing wrong with the Fender soundwise , just not backwise for me. I run a Mesa WD800 ( set to 2 ohm is approx. 600 watts )into the stack . The Mesa(@800 watts)could overpower the Ampegs ( @200 watts each) when set to 4/8 ohm . Still very careful with the master either way. I usually have subway 15's and Traynor neo 15's but the Ampegs are a great sound when I want to go for 10's.

 

[Olof Broberg]

I use a Tonehammer 350 with two MarkBass 102p cabs. I'm very happy with the Aguilar/MarkBass combo.

thanks good to hear, im planning to get a th500 and I have a mb410 and no money for a new cab at the moment

 

[Sparky Mark]

Although these are relatively heavyweight for 210 cabs I just can't let my pair of Bergantino HD210 go. One is always enough for my indoor gigs and the pair for outdoors. The feet on the right hand side (not visible in the below photo) means they can also be stacked on their sides for a taller rig with a tiny footprint.

 

[Snibborwocky]

I run a Mesa WD800 ( set to 2 ohm is approx. 600 watts )into the stack . The Mesa(@800 watts)could overpower the Ampegs ( @200 watts each) when set to 4/8 ohm . Still very careful with the master either way.

You are more brave than I using a WD800 with those lol. I'm only running an Aguilar TH 350 but would like to upgrade to a TH 500 eventually. Anything beyond 500 watts would definitely make me nervous of overload for sure.

 

[Coot]

You are more brave than I using a WD800 with those lol. I'm only running an Aguilar TH 350 but would like to upgrade to a TH 500 eventually. Anything beyond 500 watts would definitely make me nervous of overload for sure.

yes .. the master is never above noon. The WD when set to 2 ohm is about 600 watts which puts 300 approx. into each Ampeg. I am always aware of the speakers capabilities . sounds awesome though .