30 song live audition - Not much fun for me

Sounds like you did as well as could be expected.
These guys clearly weren't the right fit for you.
Better luck next time out!

 

I don't understand why people do this thing of waiting until the last minute to send out set lists to a sub. It's a setup for failure. Sorry this happened to you

 

That sounds like a band no-one really wants be in if they are all complaining about something..... you did your best and that's all you can do.... something better will come along

 

When you tell them something like "They ask me if I can play this stuff and I tell them I'm not a pro but yes I can play it," I'd say yes, that's what they should expect based on what you told them. Yeah, they dropped the list on you pretty short notice, but then you said you could do it. I'd be perturbed too if someone came new into our gig and said they didn't know a couple songs and would lay out on those when we were told the person could do it.

I'm not going to get on you at all. I would say if you see red flags (a band that doesn't rehearse when you prefer to), or something you see ahead of time is going to be out of your comfort zone, listen to those voices. Take the whole thing as a lesson to not put yourself in a similar position in the future. It's not fair to the band and it's definitely not fair to yourself to be in that when it can be avoided. I've done some stuff in my past too that became an absolute train wreck or embarrassed the hell out of myself because I wanted to be able to do it and, unfortunately, proved myself coming up short.

Know your strengths, your abilities, your needs in a band (i.e., the rehearsal thing), and stick with that.

And let this one roll off like the educational experience it is. It's done, it's over, and you lived.

 

At least you got paid, time to move on and forgettaboutit. You did everything right and they did everything wrong. For me the tip-off that they were burn outs would've been the 'we never practice' line. When I hear that line, I bail period. IME, It always means the same thing. They have a bunch of tunes they've all played for years, are stuck in a rut, and they're not going to put forth the effort to practice or learn new tunes. However, they expect whoever comes in to put in the effort.

If they're not into music enough to rehearse, learn new tunes , and get better, I'm not wasting my time with them, and you shouldn't either. Too many bands need bass players amd life's too short to put up with musical BS.

Keep Low

 

Yep - even a “pro” would have trouble navigating that sea of despair!

 

Out of curiosity what were the tunes that were the trouble?

 

I did a lot of gigs like this. I was typically called in to a working band after their formerly-current guy got the boot (usually as they were too drunk/stoned/hit on the drummer's wife, the usual foibles) and had to walk in, hit the ground running, and make it sound right. As you observed, often on these kinds of gigs, the arrangements are mangled, different keys from the recordings, too fast, too slow, you name it. But it's your job to make it work, at least for that one night.

These sorts of things are the equivalent of 'working without a net', and IF you can nail it, these situations put steel in your spine. You were lucky, I never got set lists, rehearsals, any of it. I had to stand and deliver, and when I could make it roll down the runway and lift off (which I did most of the time . . . . ), it really built my confidence. I walked into a train wreck or two where I was in over my head, and those are teaching moments, too. There are always going to be songs you haven't heard before, nobody knows everything.

Playing is better than not playing, and it sounds like this wouldn't have been a good fit personality-wise, so it's one more learning experience, and you move on.

If asked, I'd NEVER lay out of a tune I didn't know. I'm guessing this crew wasn't playing jazz charts or anything really technical, so I'd have asked for the key, and played something in the neighborhood and got through it. A BIG part of these kinds of gigs is having big ears, intuition, and finely-honed radar to where you can sense a general shape of a song and follow what they're doing, even if you're playing very simply to get through it . . . which is FAR better than 'sitting this one out': That silence, even with average players . . . . sticks out like a spotlight.

 

I have experienced similar situations, and have as a result set a rule for myself. I will not play without either a rehearsal or charts provided by the band. I have passed on several opportunities when the BL would not agree to rehearse. I violated my rule on one occasion that turned into a train wreck; when I asked to meet with the band to go over the songs, the BL said "get there early and we'll go over everything". I arrived in plenty of time and found that the BL was in no mood to rehearse; he also did not have any charts for me. On another occasion I subbed with a band at the last minute when a rehearsal was not possible, but they did have charts. That one worked out great, and I am now a member of that band.

I really think that some BL's don't consider bass players to be serious musicians and therefore put little value on their contribution to the overall sound. Years ago I joined a band and learned several months later that I was their fourth bass player in the last two years. Turns out there was a reason for that; the BL played keys and thought she could play the bass parts well enough and that a true bass player wasn't needed. The other band members wanted a bass player, and since the BL really didn't want someone on bass, she made sure she was difficult to work with when it came to the bass player.

So going forward without rehearsing can be a crap shoot; most of the time it's not a good experience, but once in a while it can be great. In the case of my bad experience, I was almost as angry with myself for violating my own rule and agreeing to the situation as I was with the BL for his part in the whole train wreck. It should be noted however, that this is a relatively small town, and if he ever approaches me in the future I will refuse to play with him again.

Thump on,

One_Dude

 

they sound like a nightmare. This is supposed to be fun

 

I would agree it sounds like expectations were a bit puffed up on both sides. If I'm going to agree to a show as a sub, I need to state in writing what my requirements are, which includes when I expect to see a full set list. I do not know every song there is to so know and, while I'm fairly good at flying by the seat of my pants based on the fact that 99% of what's written is extremely formulaic and predictable, that's not going to work for everything. I need to have at least some basic familiarity with the material to fake my way through.

Seems like they thought the OP would be able to do it with minimal prep, and seems like the OP thought they would give him a little more wiggle room. I do agree that you don't lay out on anything. That's pretty much what likely killed it for the band. You stand up there and you watch people's hands and you pay roots if you have to, but you play on every song.

That said, the whole thing could have been handled better from both sides. It's a learning experience.

 

It is what it is.
You did the best that could be expected under the circumstances.
Maybe they will find someone who does the job better for them but considering what you had to work with I wouldn’t take it to heart.
I’ve been there a million times. You do what you can to prepare then fly by the seat of your pants and hope for the best.
I have a gig coming up in December that’s going to be a horror show.
Solo acoustic singer/guitarist who decides to occasionally throw together a band.
He doesn’t play in time, doesnt bother to play four bar phrases (just changes chords when he feels like it) ,doesn’t hand out a set list, doesn’t play stock arrangements, plays everything in alternate keys and doesn’t even play the correct chords. But he gets gigs that pay and I’ll make $200.
it’s going to be the longest three hours of my life....

 

It's a hundred times better to play root notes and a simplified version of a song than to sit out on a song. With online chords available in ten seconds and you can listen to a song anywhere, it's really not acceptable. In the end, you and the band weren't a good fit for each other.

 

--As a sub, I totally understand it. And kind of appreciate it. Because their unorganized behavior is probably a big reason that they have to get subs frequently. I mean, if all bands were a joy to work with...their would not be very many sub jobs available .

Now, as to the OP, maybe you underestimated your ability, or maybe they had unrealistic expectations. Either way, chalk it up to a learning experience. Maybe next time you get an opportunity like that, say something like,"I can play it, but only if I have enough prep time." Then give them a realistic time frame that you can nail the material in.

 

@oldrocker , where In Florida are you?

 

Sound like a bunch of fools, or these must be very easy 3 chord songs. Hard to say without the song list.

 

A situation like that needs a pro and a great bass player, if it is to go off really well. 30 songs, key changes, rearrangements, going on stage without ever having played together, needs a great bass player. Stuff like that is indeed challenging, but it's also second nature to a great musician. Your ear, your seamless technicality, and your knowledge of standards gets you through it sounding as if you'd actually practiced together. They know that...or they should.

That was a really bad statement to make, and if in their shoes, with three days to go before the gig, I probably wouldn't have responded to it either. The only warranted response would have sounded A-holish: "What do you mean 'the ones you think you know?' Your job is to learn them. You have three days – so do it." At the point you said that, they knew they had possibly made a mistake...but they also knew that the commitment was made. So, as the band, what do you do when the sub you hired says something like that? Nothing. Just let the guy figure it out if he wants to, and accept that the gig isn't going to be your best. You can't hold his hand any more, but you also can't replace him at that point.

It's just as case of not the right player for the gig, and vice versa. But it's Craig's List; what does anyone expect?

How about posting the song list, and naming what the songs in question are? How about saying what the gig paid? Details like that matter in terms of passing final judgment on the situation. '50s and '60s pop and rock songs are basic musical vocabulary for a musician looking to gig with for-hire covers bands. You don't get to claim musical ignorance of those foundational genres...however, some gaps in ones knowledge base might be more forgivable than others. E.g. Maybe you don't know deep B side cuts from every Connie Francis single...but you had better know "My Happiness." If it was a hundred dollar gig, then they got their money's worth. If they paid you 500 bucks, then you needed to have taken a more professional approach and really nailed it.

In the end, they might not hire you again, but it isn't as if they blew up at you or told you off. Again: Just a case of bad fit for each other...and it happens all the time.