3Leaf Audio Club - Episode 2

[CoarseBass]

This !!!! I personally love the 3 leaf enclosures. But, what do U do with left over enclosures? I love most of DG stuff, even have a DG tattoo. But the eq on both the b3 and b7k were not for me. The Vulcan seems to suit my style and taste better.

I'm proud to have both on my board.......

You don't layout an entire circuit around leftovers.

 

[DirtyDuke]

You don't layout an entire circuit around leftovers.

Depends on the quantity of leftovers, the cost and how good you are. The look is very similar, the sound is a lot different IMO

 

[behndy]

lulz @Partial Pre Drilling. you know what you did Spence. pretty dirtbag move after working with someone. i doubt the veracity of statements saying Douglas screwed you over as well.

he has wayyyyyy too good a track record of being an honest person with everyone that's ever interacted with him.

i call butts. flaccid, unwanted butts.

 

[zekebass808]

I've spent a fair amount time and money on my OD quest, and Darkglass ODs just haven't suited my taste, despite the popularity and great branding. To the extent Spencer has developed his own new and improved versions for his tastes, I'm definitely interested in having another good listen, because it seems EVERYTHING he's done has worked for my musical style and tastes.

If he was a co-creator of these designs, it should be his prerogative to come up with his own new and improved versions. Sometimes you want to make a clean break for branding purposes though; the similarity in look could be an unnecessary distraction. But, bottom line, I'm about the best product, not the branding.

 

[moishelichtfuss]

i doubt the veracity of statements saying Douglas screwed you over as well.

Again. Just keeping an eye on the finer points: When did Spencer (or anyone else) say that Douglas "screwed him over"?

 

[behndy]

Again. Just keeping an eye on the finer points: When did Spencer (or anyone else) say that Douglas "screwed him over"?

how i read his whinging on about being left with drilled yet mysteriously differently drilled enclosures?

lol. it's realllllly obvious he's putting out a very similar looking, very similar sounding od. not cool.

 

[jwr]

Again. Just keeping an eye on the finer points: When did Spencer (or anyone else) say that Douglas "screwed him over"?

Ask one of them

 

[moishelichtfuss]

Ask one of them

Spence, anyone else and Douglas?

But really: While I guess criticism is always an option, am I the only one who finds some of the posts throughout the last pages rather harsh?

 

[mindwell]

No, you aren't. This looks to me like yet another opportunistic, TB knee-jerk, fanboi witch-hunt/pile-on.

 

[Down_Low]

how i read his whinging on about being left with drilled yet mysteriously differently drilled enclosures?

lol. it's realllllly obvious he's putting out a very similar looking, very similar sounding od. not cool.

Wow you must have a lot of beef with all the muff variants out there then. Not to mention all the companies making basses that look and sound like Fenders?!

 

[jwr]

He does hate muffs. Just sayin.

 

[behndy]

nope. Fender is a whole thing, sadly didna protect the copyright to the design properly. Muffs are Muffs. totally different situations.

this is one smaller builder working with another, having a falling out, and ripping off successful pedals.

ruuuuuuuuude. BUTTFULL.

 

[behndy]

lolollollolol. yeah. muffs are usually GARBAGE.

 

[dharmashawn]

How could Spence NOT see this coming.....as soon as I saw the pics I fired up the old TB. Don't get it, has he not read any other threads??

Loyal folks around these parts

 

[76jazzbass]

How could Spence NOT see this coming.....as soon as I saw the pics I fired up the old TB. Don't get it, has he not read any other threads??

Loyal folks around these parts

Loyal, but there quite a few other fitting adjectives as well.....

 

[overbybr]

Lawd have mercy people! None of this discussion would have happened if the enclosures and layouts hadn't been so similar. I could care less what the box looks like, and if you care more about how it looks than how it sounds, you should probably hang it up.

Have any of you tried one of these two new pedals or the OBP? No? Hmm, maybe your wrong.

I would have loved to see these as 3Leaf pedals, but whatever: The market will tell.

If you don't believe the maker of a product for why they did what they did, and how they did it, you just might be ig'nant

 

[mmbongo]

Lawd have mercy people! None of this discussion would have happened if the enclosures and layouts hadn't been so similar.

I think that's the whole point. How hard would it have been to change ONE thing to not make them look exactly like Darkglass pedals? Ditch the faceplate, use different knobs, use a different font, paint the enclosures, change SOMETHING. It's painfully obvious that these are designed to look exactly like DG pedals.

 

[Bassgeer]

nope. Fender is a whole thing, sadly didna protect the copyright to the design properly.

I am not really interested in taking sides here, as there is too much information that occurred behind the scenes in the Darkglass / 3Leaf relationship for anyone to really be justified in proclaiming that one party or the other was in the right or wrong, but I reject the base premise of your argument.

Saying that the Fender clones are somehow an entirely different scenario because they failed to properly copyright the design is granting moral superiority to the Sadowskys and Laklands of the world for profiting off of Fender's design based on a legal blunder. So it is ok for people to rip off someone else's design as long as they aren't breaking patent law? I mean technically yes, it is, but this whole argument against Spencer's designs are morally based anyways. I mean, all the companies making fender clones are (at the minimum implicitly) claiming that their basses are better than Fender's, and they all claim to capture that classic "P" or "J" tone. So sure, Spencer's new pedals look like Darkglass's but he is definitely not claiming that they sound the same!!!

Also, if Doug had neglected to "copyright his design properly", I guarantee that none of Spencer's detractors would be any less upset.

Lets call it what it is, Spencer made an overdrive and preamp that may or may not share some similarities with the Darkglass design in terms of general circuit architecture, but there are only so many ways to develop an overdriven signal! Sure maybe the aesthetics could have been different (and if they were, this discussion probably wouldn't be happening), but I can get that he was attached to the look and wanted to keep it going. Darkglass was quick to change the enclosures and aesthetics of their pedals after the split with 3Leaf, so obviously they have moved on from that look.

 

[mmbongo]

Darkglass was quick to change the enclosures and aesthetics of their pedals after the split with 3Leaf, so obviously they have moved on from that look.

Umm....whut?

 

[76jazzbass]

Where is this outrage every time someone copies someone's designs and/or circuits?