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3Leaf Audio Club - Episode 2

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Two of the three aren't on here, but I am adding my MK3 and PWNZOR back this afternoon. Those two and the Chromatron are my favorite. Chromatron is so easy to use, I have it routed so I can add effects before, within and after the trigger as well.
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But, I understand the stale thread - production/prices unfortunately seem to be the only topic available with such a limited product line, it's been a long time since anything new has come out. Bring the PWNZOR back, bring the Chromatron back, heck bring the GR2 and Wonderlove back for some options. The Protons an odd one too, it evolved many times, but in the end turned more into a compact Chromatron?
 
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labeledbass said:
Come on Spencer... I guess it may be a sign they'll be available in the future, but the Chromatron has gone up $230 in the past 4 years, and it hasn't even been available to buy lol.

Go big or go home I guess lol, it is a very good filter.
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The used Chroma market is about to go higher now, which I didn't think was even possible...
 
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Romain909 said:
Absolutely. But not indefinitely. New units fulfill the demand and decrease equilibrium price. Once demand goes back up again, prices will rise as well. The bigger the difference between supply and demand, the higher the price.
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In theory that is how it should work but I haven't seen prices on the used market drop when a new batch is released, at least not with 3leaf pedals, they sell out within minutes & some people even purchase these pedals new just to resell them at a higher price for profit.
 
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MisticoRitualista said:
In theory that is how it should work but I haven't seen prices on the used market drop when a new batch is released, at least not with 3leaf pedals, they sell out within minutes & some people even purchase these pedals new just to resell them at a higher price for profit.
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This should at least stop the price increase momentarily since interested buyers will have an opportunity to have one AND the new pedals will be sold on the secondary market too (competition in other words).

If there are let's say 5 Doom2 on Reverb at the same time, I am convinced their individual prices will be lower than if there would be only one. Similarly, the price of the previous units should be lower than what it is today since consumers tend to favor the last version of an item.

All my expectations are based on the short run. This is what happens with trading cards that gets reprinted. Market stagnation, if the prices were over evaluated, then a moderate price decrease, then the price goes back up as the supply diminishes and the demand grows back.

In theory. We'll see.
 
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I predict the prices of the chromatron to remain high. A "deal" or "fair" price is now below the suggested msrp, and unless Spencer does something he's never done, there will not be enough to fill demand.

A 300$ pedal is easier to buy verse a 500$ pedal, so compared to say a Mk3 drop, they may stick around a little longer, but the now scarcity and already limited numbers, most people will move heaven and earth to buy one -

It's sad, I've always wanted my chrome to retain value, for my own heads sake, but now I'm afraid unless someone gets hooked up from a previous sale, a lot of folks won't get the chance to try one.

The Proton being so close now, it's hard to justify the loop and little extra options, being 200 more
 
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villegastx said:
Broughton already droped a few batches of scorpions this year and used prices went down to half. Currently three for sale in the verb.View attachment 5087519
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It's going to be almost impossible to compare Josh's recent production to Spencer's, plus all of those are about what the msrp is. I'm not going to release what I paid for my chromatron, but let's say I could almost afford 2 at the new price.
 
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As I said :
-Short supply and growing demand explain a price equilibrium higher on the secondary market.
-> Pedals are more expensive used than new.

But on top of that
-Uncertainty about buying one new in the future create the irrational behavior of buying now regardless of the previous sales. "I am not sure to manage to have one from Spencer, so I will buy this one at all cost."

-We also tend to have a bias toward the present : would you rather spend $500 on a Doom2 today, or $350 in a few months ?
"I know there is a batch coming, but I don't want to wait so I ll overpay for this unit today" just like it happens with the Noble.

The only ways to reduce the used prices would be : more supply, but also more consistency (X guaranteed batches every year for example).
 
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To be honest, as long as pedals are available from the producer, I am more than OK to pay more for it. Price is not the problem. Availability is.
I prefer supporting the company than a reseller, even though I don't blame people for selling at the market price.

I am ok with a $400 / $500 on 3 Leaf pedals brand new. They're hand made, producing short runs costs a ton, steel and component are much more expensive nowadays ..

If it helps producing more of them, I am in favor of higher prices from the producer.
 
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Romain909 said:
This should at least stop the price increase momentarily since interested buyers will have an opportunity to have one AND the new pedals will be sold on the secondary market too (competition in other words).

If there are let's say 5 Doom2 on Reverb at the same time, I am convinced their individual prices will be lower than if there would be only one. Similarly, the price of the previous units should be lower than what it is today since consumers tend to favor the last version of an item.

All my expectations are based on the short run. This is what happens with trading cards that gets reprinted. Market stagnation, if the prices were over evaluated, then a moderate price decrease, then the price goes back up as the supply diminishes and the demand grows back.

In theory. We'll see.
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In theory, yes. But in practice I see a lot of stupidly high prices on Reverb that sit for months and months, even over a year. I could definitely see all 5 of those Doom 2 resellers post them for $800 and none of them sell, but also none of them are lowered. Reverb often does not reflect the actual market.

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Broughton already droped a few batches of scorpions this year and used prices went down to half. Currently three for sale in the verb.View attachment 5087519
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This is an interesting point. You could be right. But my suspicion is that you are not: Broughton is far more niche than 3 Leaf and its demand is much easier to meet. Broughton's following is largely contained to TalkBass and you don't see many Boughton pedals on the boards of famous players (yet). (I think that will change now that Josh seems to be switching up his business model from very small batches of a wide variety of pedals to focusing on larger batches of a smaller range of pedals.)

You do see 3 Leaf pedals out there. 3 Leaf has a wider following and greater demand. Also the Broughton Scorpion, while an excellent overdrive, is essentially a well-executed overdrive with a Fender tone-stack. The Doom 2, on the other hand, is wholly unique in its synthiness: there is no other fuzz pedal that sounds like it. The Chromatron has all sorts of features other filters do not. The Octabvre is perhaps closest to some other pedals of its ilk, but it too is special because of that second stompswitch for the sub solo (plus its tone and tracking are fantastic).
 
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Erithon said:
In theory, yes. But in practice I see a lot of stupidly high prices on Reverb that sit for months and months, even over a year. I could definitely see all 5 of those Doom 2 resellers post them for $800 and none of them sell, but also none of them are lowered. Reverb often does not reflect the actual market.
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Then if they don't sell, it's not really a problem.

If there is no demand for a given price, the seller is either going to keep it forever, or lower the price at some point to meet a realistic demand and get rid of it.
Some may expect the market to go up with the influence of a few overpriced ads, but buyers all have psychological limits.

I agree with your second point. I doubt prices will be halved. But still. The more supply you bring to the market, the more competitions between them. It will necessarily increase the number of good deals happening, even though some stubborn ones will list them for months at $1000 or $1500
 

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