3Leaf Audio Club - Episode 2

[micguy]

My understanding is you can't patent a circuit.

That's a commonly quoted thing - it is and isn't true. I have circuit patents, so strictly speaking yes, you can patent circuits. The thing is, you have to have something novel - taking a tube screamer circuit and changing a few values won't cut it, unless something very unexpected arises from that change (a different sounding overdrive isn't unexpected)

If you try to patent an overdrive circuit at this point, there is so much prior art that is so similar that it'd be very difficult to do that. Also, the costs (dollars for lawyers, and the time of the circuit designer) to get a patent are prohibitive for most builders, who will sell a few dozen or a few hundred pedals of a type - it just isn't worth it. The stuff I was working on, over time, will sell in the tens to hundreds of thousands - there it is worth it.

So, legally, you can patent a circuit, but in the product space we're talking about, it just isn't practical to do so.

 

[labeledbass]

The music industry is nothing but a huge market full of clones.
How many people make a Jazz or P Bass or Strat or Tele or LP. How many people make MM or Honer style Basses.
How many SVT in a pedal are there exactly? Tons of Mu-tron, Rat, Klon, Muff, OC-2, POG etc etc are out there.
But with certain brands people want that original name stamped on the product.
Genesis cars & SUV's while fantastic in many rights haven't slowed down the sale of high European car brands it tries to emulate and compete against. Honestly half of the 3Leaf appeal is it's lack of attainability sure you could make your take on one of the pedals but the desire for the original would probably just increase.

I agree, every once in a blue moon do you see something that is truly original, this industry is constantly "reinventing the wheel" - thousands of different ways to utilize the same gain stages, band pass filters, equalizers, and modulation of different components.

We've made the simplest thing like tone, so complex lol

 

[Admiral Chew]

So, after waiting patiently for the Anima preamps to show themselves again, I realised that Bass Direct here in the UK have had the blue Anima preamp kit the whole time! I think they still have one/some for anyone else that may be interested.

 

[fretless Bob]

So, after waiting patiently for the Anima preamps to show themselves again, I realised that Bass Direct here in the UK have had the blue Anima preamp kit the whole time! I think they still have one/some for anyone else that may be interested.

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I love this preamp, it’s what the guys at New York bass works use in their basses (they tend to use the red module) most passive sounding preamp I’ve come across.

 

[Admiral Chew]

I love this preamp, it’s what the guys at New York bass works use in their basses (they tend to use the red module) most passive sounding preamp I’ve come across.

That’s good news! I ordered the red module from Spencer too so I’m hoping to have some fun exploring what it can do.

 

[Maxi Funkl]

Differences between Doom2 and Doom original?

 

[Romain909]

Differences between Doom2 and Doom original?

Ain’t it the you’re switch ?

 

[Batrachos]

Differences between Doom2 and Doom original?

active Mid-range knob control instead of a 2-way switch. Can boost/cut instead of just cut
"You're" switch for upper harmonics/octave fuzz
Mix knob can now toggle between full spectrum of harmonics (clean) or just the bass frequencies

 

[Maxi Funkl]

active Mid-range knob control instead of a 2-way switch. Can boost/cut instead of just cut
"You're" switch for upper harmonics/octave fuzz
Mix knob can now toggle between full spectrum of harmonics (clean) or just the bass frequencies

Thanks

 

[Romain909]

Just purchased a Chromatron. Waiting to receive it !
I am still on the building step of my pedalboard. I only miss the Octabvre MkIII and Doom2. HPB-2 handmade pedalboard from DESS is almost finished too.
Almost done.

It’s not 100% made of 3Leaf goodness but I suppose you guys might like it.

 

[Erithon]

Cool signal chain graphic! If you were to replace the Vintage Ultra with a Pike Vulcan XL and the Empress with the PWNZOR then you'd be closer to that 100% 3 Leaf board. But building a board that is 100% any brand is just silly so I don't actually think you should do that

 

[Romain909]

Thanks.

The Empress is an amazing EQ.
The preamp could be swapped though.
it doesn’t have the warmth I like in my Ampeg V4B. Not dull but it lacks some character.
Since I mostly play clean, the Noble preamp could be a nice option.
A pricy one though.

I ll keep it this way, play around a little bit and see if I lack something when I go sans amp

 

[Maxi Funkl]

Thanks.

The Empress is an amazing EQ.
The preamp could be swapped though.
it doesn’t have the warmth I like in my Ampeg V4B. Not dull but it lacks some character.
Since I mostly play clean, the Noble preamp could be a nice option.
A pricy one though.

I ll keep it this way, play around a little bit and see if I lack something when I go sans amp

If clean is what you're after Genzler Magellan Pre-amp is great place to start.

 

[Stubb]

Octabvre, Doom 2, and Proton for sale in the classifieds. Not mine, and well beyond retail price.

 

[Romain909]

Thanks a lot !
A bit pricey. I need to sell other things firstww

 

[Stubb]

There's also a Wonderlove v1 that's been there a while, down to $275 now. That's a great filter, and soundwise I think it beats the Chromatron. Great deal for someone.

 

[PJay-bass]

Anyone checking this thread and the 3leaf webpage every day for new news on the latest batch? It can't just be me, right?

 

[Romain909]

Anyone checking this thread and the 3leaf webpage every day for new news on the latest batch? It can't just be me, right?

Like 10 times a day.
I am tired ahah

 

[MisticoRitualista]

I've had my Chromatron listed for trade in the classifieds for months & have had several inquiries about selling it instead.

I paid quite a bit of money for it when the 3leaf site was inactive for months & then went down & there was talk of whether or not Spencer would continue making pedals.... I would sell it but am not sure what a fair price is at this point.

Id still prefer to trade it for some other rare pedal but could also use some cash as Im wanting to build a new jazz bass... what do yall think?

 

[Romain909]

As a reference, I just paid mine €635 (excluding shipping and VAT) in excellent condition (not Mint).

If you don’t like it, it makes sens not to keep it. Otherwise, I would not sell.
Trading for rare items is better IMO, but you would have to be a bit more specific about what you would like in exchange.