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3Leaf Audio Club - Episode 2

Apparently, the first version is the best version, cosmetic wise.
 

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So what's the consensus - is the new Doom 2 version better than the older or vice versa?

I thought of maybe trying out for one on the next drop, but I'm not really sure. I'll say that I watched every available YT video of Doom 2 and I'm honestly not really feeling it. All of the tones I've heard were kind of meh to me. I wanted it for synthy tones (in combination with my octaver, envelope filter, phaser, chorus, delay) but I'm not hearing that it elevates these pedals to super synthy goodness to be honest. It just sounds kind of farty to me. Fairly focused, sure, but kind of farty and not super musical (to my ears). What am I missing here? I don't even want it for "regular fuzz" tones, I love my Calamity for that - which I can also use to add some synth style tones with my octaver, chorus and delay, but probably isn't an ideal choice for that.
 
So what's the consensus - is the new Doom 2 version better than the older or vice versa?
No consensus. They are different, but not so much that it's a question of better or worse. Just two variations of the same flavor. Details here.
I thought of maybe trying out for one on the next drop, but I'm not really sure. I'll say that I watched every available YT video of Doom 2 and I'm honestly not really feeling it. All of the tones I've heard were kind of meh to me. I wanted it for synthy tones (in combination with my octaver, envelope filter, phaser, chorus, delay) but I'm not hearing that it elevates these pedals to super synthy goodness to be honest. It just sounds kind of farty to me. Fairly focused, sure, but kind of farty and not super musical (to my ears). What am I missing here? I don't even want it for "regular fuzz" tones, I love my Calamity for that - which I can also use to add some synth style tones with my octaver, chorus and delay, but probably isn't an ideal choice for that.
If you aren't feeling it, don't get it. That said, I can tell you:
  1. if you want synthy tones, get a synth pedal. The Doom 2 is a synthy-sounding fuzz, not a synth. (I know you know this because you wrote about using it in combination with octaver, filter, etc., but it is worth underscoring.)
  2. it is not remotely farty. This is just not the case in the slightest. To me, this is not a question of YMMV; it's simply not even in question.
  3. a big part of what makes the Doom 2 so compelling is its dynamic responsiveness, a feature which cannot be experienced via YouTube.
The Doom 2 isn't for everyone, though usually it seems folks don't like it because they wanted a fuzz and it's too synthy. Maybe my past audio samples and detailed thoughts will help you. Only way to really know is to buy it. You can always resell it, even from Cakovec (you live in a beautiful country by the way!).
 
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No consensus. They are different, but not so much that it's a question of better or worse. Just two variations of the same flavor. Details here.

If you aren't feeling it, don't get it. That said, I can tell you:
  1. if you want synthy tones, get a synth pedal. The Doom 2 is a synthy-sounding fuzz, not a synth. (I know you know this because you wrote about using it in combination with octaver, filter, etc., but it is worth underscoring.)
  2. it is not remotely farty. This is just not the case in the slightest. To me, this is not a question of YMMV; it's simply not even in question.
  3. a big part of what makes the Doom 2 so compelling is its dynamic responsiveness, a feature which cannot be experienced via YouTube.
The Doom 2 isn't for everyone, though usually it seems folks don't like it because they wanted a fuzz and it's too synthy. Maybe my past audio samples and detailed thoughts will help you. Only way to really know is to buy it. You can always resell it, even from Cakovec (you live in a beautiful country by the way!).
Haha I was watching some videos of Doom 2 just an hour ago and actually found clips that sounded very good and synthy fuzz to me, so I'm back on the "I wanna try this" path. :D

Thanks for the kind words! The country may be beautiful but I'm not very happy with the way things are going on here politically. Seems like extremism is rising all around the world and we definitely didn't dodge that. Not to get political though. But I often times ponder I'd rather live in some other country.
 
So what's the consensus - is the new Doom 2 version better than the older or vice versa?
I won't say I have a wealth of fuzz comparisons to draw from, but it's halfway to a synth pedal just by itself. It immediately ended my search for synthy fuzzes, and the only one I've purchased since has been an original Doom out of curiosity (because it was a good deal and I'm a sucker). Synth is almost all the new one does, it's kinda impractical as a doomy fuzz unless you're gettin real psychedelic with it.

I'm interested in trying whatever the Iron Ether fuzz was and the Prunes & Custard, but not enough to actually track either down. I just don't see what they could offer that the Doom 2 isn't already.
 
I'm interested in trying whatever the Iron Ether fuzz was and the Prunes & Custard, but not enough to actually track either down. I just don't see what they could offer that the Doom 2 isn't already.
To my ear those three are rather different.
  • Iron Ether Oxide is a take on the Maestro Brassmaster circuit. It's aggressive, nasty, and approaches brutal. I love it.
  • Prunes and Custard employs harmonic modulation which responds to the input signal, generating sounds approaching ring moduation and other filter-type effects. I don't care for it.
  • Doom 2 is novel fuzz circuit (other than expanding on the original Doom, obviously) which is tight and punchy. Its synthy fuzz is far smoother than the Oxide's, and less vintage sounding.
Listen for yourself:



IME the Oxide is the drunk, violent cousin of Doom. It's best received when there's a family member to filter.
In some ways haha
For synth, I agree it loves to feed a Xerograph Deluxe. But for gnarly, ripping fuzz I find it best to employ no filter and just let its pugnacious voice cut through (plus it has a treble LPF on board if you find it too harsh).
 
To my ear those three are rather different.
  • Iron Ether Oxide is a take on the Maestro Brassmaster circuit. It's aggressive, nasty, and approaches brutal. I love it.
  • Prunes and Custard employs harmonic modulation which responds to the input signal, generating sounds approaching ring moduation and other filter-type effects. I don't care for it.
  • Doom 2 is novel fuzz circuit (other than expanding on the original Doom, obviously) which is tight and punchy. Its synthy fuzz is far smoother than the Oxide's, and less vintage sounding.
Appreciate the audio clips! The Prunes and Custard being so drastically different from the rest is part of the appeal for me. It definitely sounds more situational, but I'd be lying if I said that Calypso clip didn't immediately put a smile on my face.

Knowing the Oxide's reputation for being rarer than a snow leopard is part of why I've never bothered investing too much effort. Didn't know it was Brassmaster-based, but that sorta intrigues me more. Been jonesing for that aggression since I got rid of the SA Aftershock.
 
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Appreciate the audio clips! The Prunes and Custard being so drastically different from the rest is part of the appeal for me. It definitely sounds more situational, but I'd be lying if I said that Calypso clip didn't immediately put a smile on my face.

Knowing the Oxide's reputation for being rarer than a snow leopard is part of why I've never bothered investing too much effort. Didn't know it was Brassmaster-based, but that sorta intrigues me more. Been jonesing for that aggression since I got rid of the SA Aftershock.

I use the Prunes & Custard a ton, but most of the time I have the drive & blend near noon for a much more subtle effect. I only really use it with the drive up high when I'm running it into a Xerograph for synthy sweeps.
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I probably have my octave mk3 in the wrong place on my board, and found it has trouble tracking. It will sort of flub out frequently. I just put it where I had a spot but didn’t think it would matter that much, but it probably does.

Tuner, whammy, fuzz, wah, filter, weird pedal, then octave. Then a compressor at the end into a looper.

To put it closer to the front will require some extensive rewiring. Where do you suggest an octave pedal goes?