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412 vs 2x15 vs the fridge

#81
CL400Peavey said:
Eh, minus weight, size, with increased lows, and a higher volume potential....
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I don't follow your meaning... :p

The single TL606 cab with 3015 is sufficient to fill most small to medium clubs all by itself!

The 2x15 (twin 3015s) is considerably louder, and and driven with the lowly Sunn 200S (60 watts?), is more than ample in most medium clubs, and can handle larger venues with more power...

The 2x15 weighs about 85 lbs, and the 1x15 weighs about 45 lbs... I built these cabs in '98, so they may look dated... But they still sound great - especially with the Eminence neo drivers!

Although I must admit, I've been using a small sealed 2x12 lately, and really appreciating the light weight.
 
#82
CS Peavey refers to the PA overtaking capablity of a FF compared to TL606.

I played a fully PA supported gig with my amp on 1 tonight. 2X10 angled up into my face at short range. As it turned out they didn't put any bass through the monitors except for the drummer's.

The band played with the drummer who played with me, and the keys player got an assload of bass off my monitor which kept the Herbie Hankock tendancies in check, guitar got drums and bass.

Less than ideal, but it's a barely professional band. The audience danced their asses off, job done.
 
#84
Just saw this thread... wow, don't think I've seen this much misinformation posted in one place in a LONG time. Staggering! Maybe reading the stickies should mandatory for new members. It's like a never-ending game of whack-a-mole trying to address the same old misconceptions. CL, kudos for the effort!
 
#85
iualum said:
Barefaced is an alpha predator :bassist: . Almost certain they use a version (maybe even stock) of the 15PR400. If not, the Faital, then the Eminence 3015. 103 dB SPL would be exactly right for 2 of them.
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When I wrote "103dB is a very high value for its sensitivity" I didn't mean to imply that I dispute its accuracy. What I mean is it is a very loud cabinet and I expect it sounds really good.
 
#88
Vince Klortho said:
When I wrote "103dB is a very high value for its sensitivity" I didn't mean to imply that I dispute its accuracy. What I mean is it is a very loud cabinet and I expect it sounds really good.
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I see. Yep. I'd wager it sounds tremendous. My LDS 215 employs two 3015s & a D220Ti HF driver & it's magnificent. The Super Fifteen is very nearly my box, sans the Selenium.
 
#89
DiabolusInMusic said:
So when he says it, 810s are more difficult to move but when I say it you give a rude response, complete with all caps. Classy move.

And yeah, 810s aren't easier to move than 412 than logic is just crazy. Something that is several feet larger and 50-100lbs heavier cannot be easier to move.

For the record, I haven't owned an 810 but I have gigged them and more important I have helped other guys load them, plenty. You know how many times I have had to help somebody with a 412 get their cabinet into their van? Never, they lift it themselves... why is that? Oh right, it is easier to move.
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you cannot convince me it's easier to move 412 than 810 because for me it just isn't.

with a 412 (or 410) you always have to crouch, which is much more difficult for my back than rolling an 810 in an upright position.

and besides, I don't know how things work in US bands, but here in Europe we help each other with the equipment so I really can't recall that i ever had to carry it by myself;)
like the guitar players didn't have to carry their marshall half stacks etc.
 
#90
If you're not on a strict budget you could also check out the Barefaced bass cabs. From what I've read on the forum all the owners sound really pleased with their cabs. Not sure if someone mentioned them already but I think their speaker lay-outs are relevant to your question. Also, their sales pitch is pretty convincing ;).
 
#91
elwuss said:
you cannot convince me it's easier to move 412 than 810 because for me it just isn't.

with a 412 (or 410) you always have to crouch, which is much more difficult for my back than rolling an 810 in an upright position.
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Most of the 4x12s for bass that are sold in the USA are not built in the 2x2 format like 4x10 cabinets usually are. They are in a diagonal orientation and are about as tall as an 8x10. Invalid Link Removed is one example.
 
#92
elwuss said:
you cannot convince me it's easier to move 412 than 810 because for me it just isn't.

with a 412 (or 410) you always have to crouch, which is much more difficult for my back than rolling an 810 in an upright position.

and besides, I don't know how things work in US bands, but here in Europe we help each other with the equipment so I really can't recall that i ever had to carry it by myself;)
like the guitar players didn't have to carry their marshall half stacks etc.
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A number of builders make their 4x12s in a more vertical format (GK, Mesa, Aguilar...) which lend them to towel bar/kick plate/skid bars/tilt back wheels which should make them as easy to move as your 810. Theoretically, of course.

=wr=

edit> Argh, redundant post after Vince's...
 
#95
dazmond said:
So I've got a bit of g.a.s. and I'm just wondering if anyone has had experience using a few of these cab setups. If they were all roughly the same wattage,etc. how would they compare to each other for filling a room with sound? I'm more of a 15's kinda guy. But maybe I would consider 12's too. No fridges for me, though. That's more just for something to compare to.
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I'm about to commit a TB crime.

The fridge is awesome. But... with what you spend on it you can get two of the old Peavey 215s.. the 4ohm cabs, and a pizza and a case of beer and a tank of gas, too. Neither do you have to build it yourself nor wait months and months for someone to build it. They've been around for 35 years.

Now, I know what you're all thinkin'. But hear this out. Spray paint them old cones with any color Krylon you dig.

When they dry, they'll rock about 63% more (statistic completely made up). They'll be nearly as stiff as those Kevlar cones that were all the rage in the early 90s. They'll be tons more durable, and while I don't know about any difference in power handling, their upper frequency range will seem extended beyond what a normal 15 does due to the stiffer paper so they'll be more like full-range cabs, but still sound like 15s.

I keep trying to get people to try it but I get nowhere! I did it long ago :D

(well, my guitar player and singer did it, then I found it when I got to the practice spot, contemplated murder, then plugged it in and changed my mind)
 
#97
Thanks for some great cab suggestions! The fEarful and barefaced stuff has me very curious! I should probably start saving some $$ ASAP haha. And also start convincing myself that my current rig is complete rubbish and that I NEED a new one ;)
 
#98
dazmond said:
Thanks for all the input so far! Although I feel I may have asked too general of a question and caused unnecessary arguments lol. I don't want the fridge because of the weight. Never used 12's and am curious if the 15's can fill medium venues with no pA support. I know it's hard to compare this stuff with many different companies putting out cabs with all kinds of capable drivers. There has been some great suggestions so far though! Also there isn't a whole bunch of options at my local store to try. Basically Mesa, GK, and Traynor. (I'm from the great white north, if that matters in any way)
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This is one large reason why I chose my Xsonics 215cf. 2 15" speakers, 900 watts, loud - fills venues easily, weighs 48lbs, has tilt-back wheels that don't rattle, nice smooth tweeter, clean articulation, and has excellent tone. You can also get it with an additional 5" speaker (2155cf).

Greenboy knows what he's talking about regarding driver response, and I can tell you that these 15's are NOT slow to respond. (Somehow, I bet all of Greenboy's designs wouldn't include 15's if they were inherently sluggish. :eek: ) With my 215cf, the articulation is absolutely on the money, and as I play upright a lot of the time, articulation cannot be muddy or sluggish. The articulation with the 215cf is clean and authentic. I've played 4x10's, 2x12's, 1x15's, and this cab outperforms all of them for what I am trying to achieve.

The great thing about modern bass playing is that there are more high-quality choices out there than ever before. I personally like Xsonics the best, and I encourage you to try one. But other options out there (like fEARful designs) are available. You have to decide exactly what you want, and seek the cab that meets your needs. If you don't want a fridge, don't get one. If weight is not really an issue, so be it, but if weight is a concern/need, don't compromise. Meet your needs as a player. Lots of great suggestions in this thread. Glean out the information that helps you, and choose what fits your needs. Good luck in your search!

CL400Peavey said:
You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.


You can hold its head under water until it stops moving though. ;)
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But then you have a dead horse. You can beat a dead horse, but it doesn't get you anywhere, and you're right back where you started. ;)
 
#100
I used to own two 410's. Their weight prompted me to go to two 212's. I'm happy now, because both cabs fit in my Accord, and they sound more even than my old ones.

I would love a fridge, but fitting it in a car is the meh part for me.

Two cabs gives me the option of using one or both at gigs, depending on venue size.

YMMV
 

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