Bottom line is bass needs mids to cut through in a band setting. Cut your lows and crank your mids and take your Contour knob and turn it all the way down.
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I can't be alone here but I want to hear some of your stuff.
What moves you? What is it you have to say or want to play?
This stuff fascinates me far more than gear questions or anything else we can discuss because if music isn't making you feel something it really is pointless background noise.
So, I'm all ears. Whatever you want to share even if it's a list of artists who inspire you or songs that speak to you and make you say, "I wish I wrote that because that's ME!"; I'd love to know.
Got my soup cans for anything else.
Not true if you are working with the likes of Marshall, et al, 412 cabs. Those guys eat up all the midrange. I am currently working with two guitarists both with such cabs, and it's awfully hard to distinguish my notes.
I discovered I need to get deep lows to get underneath those cabs to be heard. Also, some of the "clack" is useful to fight its way through all the midrange the shredders use. The GK tone is useful here.
It sucks because bass sounds best with a healthy dose of mids, as the poster above suggests.
Trying to meet or exceed a ridiculous sound level isn't curing the problem; it's contributing further to the problem.
but that is the solution to your problem. you don't need more gear. they need the experience of learning manners. you're the only one who can teach them! there are lots of methods: some are even polite.
good luck!
This depends on their personal level of music knowledge. There are those that want to advance themselves, and then there are others that think they have it all figured out and their minds are closed to any further suggestion.but that is the solution to your problem. you don't need more gear. they need the experience of learning manners. you're the only one who can teach them! there are lots of methods: some are even polite.
good luck!
i remember my daddy 'opening my mind' a few times = he never touched my head!
of course you're right: the 'other cat' has to want something from the experience. but i don't think "musical knowledge" is the issue: playing with others requires some 'nicey nice' stuff...i used the term 'manners'. if the other cats can't play nice = you have to explain to them what the alternative is. otherwise you're in that TB 'binary' universe where the "only option is to quit." which we both know is BS...unless you want to quit!
discuss the issue, honestly. if that doesn't work then 'cuss' the issue, honestly. surely we know how to get the attention of other human beings...in some way...
i've never been aware of so many adults avoiding communication with other folks who are behaving selfishly.
My take on this:i remember my daddy 'opening my mind' a few times = he never touched my head!
of course you're right: the 'other cat' has to want something from the experience. but i don't think "musical knowledge" is the issue: playing with others requires some 'nicey nice' stuff...i used the term 'manners'. if the other cats can't play nice = you have to explain to them what the alternative is. otherwise you're in that TB 'binary' universe where the "only option is to quit." which we both know is BS...unless you want to quit!
discuss the issue, honestly. if that doesn't work then 'cuss' the issue, honestly. surely we know how to get the attention of other human beings...in some way...
i've never been aware of so many adults avoiding communication with other folks who are behaving selfishly.
Music is a form of communication, and it's definitely not a monologue, even with a solo instrument or voice, because they are communicating with the listener(s).
Similar to a group of people speaking, each voice has a time and place, level of volume, and something to communicate. If other voices are disrupting this ability through not listening and giving others a chance to speak, it becomes a one sided conversation. Once would-be musicians learn this, they should start developing sensitivity towards the other voices in the group.
i cannot disagree with you!
my 'advice' was really directed towards the OP and my interpretation of his dilemma and his response (or lack thereof) to his own dilemma. but maybe njones89 was mostly venting.
Sounds opposite of what you would think Huh? But Actually, it can be. If you're playing with 2 banana head guitar players that are competing with each other + band room cab placement, AND on top of that they don't listen to reason. Well, you're just their bitch aren't you? However, if your set up to hear yourself and make their balls cringe with your destructive bass power. Believe me!, Very soon! it will be "their idea" that everyone turn down. At that time you can suggest, some band room re-arranging. It also sounds like he's playing with some inexperienced people.
Personally, I wouldn't waste the time and effort to play psychological games. simpler just to say "Look: we have to turn down, or I'm out of here."
Yes you want to be able to still hear when you are my age.
That works too. lol However there are other considerations. Is 700watts enough these days? Sure for smaller venues, but not necessarily outdoor events. Also, if you enjoy playing with these guys, but they are playing with full pro rigs. How much time have you spent learning their music? How long is it going to take before you find another group you like playing with? + the style they're playing, if that's what your interested in? Was your equipment really up to par in the first place, or are you just using an old beat up rig you've owned forever and has served you up to now? What's the band gig situation? Is there some of the success aspects you want coming to fruition? (going into the studio, etc.?) When I lived in a large city there were more options. Now that I live in a rural town, with limited musicians and choices, I'm actually thinking about taking up the drums because there are literally no drummers here. LOL Sometimes you do have to bite the bullet and just upgrade your sh*t every 5 to 10 years. I do know giving ultimatums can be more costly in the long run. Not that I disagree with what you're saying at all.
Again no matter what anyone says your ears are your connection to Music. Try Hearos. I played with the upper elite. We are talking the biggest concerts. These guys suffered big time from ear damage especially from the monitors. Protect your ears. The amount of gigs you will want to play later on and the amount of gigs you're going to receive will probably be Zero. Maybe you'll want to hear a grandchild a favorite movie or just wish you had listen to yourself.
Ear plugs are a thing.
If your ears are painful or ringing for days after, that is not good. Get some custom moulded earplugs, if your bandmates still refuse to turn down then find a new band. No band is with losing your hearing over!
Apart from that, get an extra cab, and go easy on the contour knob.
Apart from that, get an extra cab, and go easy on the contour knob.
10" speakers are not the issue. I doubt he would have a volume problem with an 810!
They usually push less air than a 15 but you get twice the number of speakers in the equivalent sized cab to compensate. Besides, some modern 10" speakers like Barefaced can compete with or even beat 15 inchers of old.
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