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810 Dilemma

#21
I have an old svt. It sounds great. It's still only 300 watts. yeah, I know there is a difference between tube and solid state but as bar as a clean sound, my old svt was rougly even to a 575 watts ashdown abm500. The svt will break up more gracefully than a solid state amp though. The old svt's sound way better than the classic series but, they still have clean output limits. My shuttle 9.2 will bury my svt for clean output.
 
#22
bassboysam said:
thanks Bill so looking at the B810 specs the max linear excursion is 4.7mm and max mechanical limit is 9.5mm. when you say "original SVT driver" are you referring to the CTS or the Emminence driver used afterwards?
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It would seem that the B810 would do it all if the excursion is that of a modern speaker but it is voiced in a somewhat vintage way. Not many folks are running these speakers in an old cab, I searched. Would love to hear what kind of extra bottom they could provide.
 
#24
I think you should try to pick up a cheap 810e. I have two, both made of boogerwood, one is a 2001 and the other is a mid 90's. Having played my friends OG 70's cabs i prefer mine. Shameless pic :)

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#26
810 cabs? Not for me.

I gigged last Friday night with a loud drummer, 2 loud guitars, and loud vox.

My rig was my (2) Mesa Boogie Powerhouse 112 8 ohm cabs driven by my Eden WT800B. One speaker per side (2 power amps).
Never needed to crank it past 4. Tons of tone and more headroom than I expect to ever need.

I was lucky enough that 2 bassist friends showed up and stood in for a few songs so I could here the rig from various spots in the club. Pure bass heaven!

I am so happy that I no longer need to drag either my Bergantino NV412 or Peavey 215D cabs around for gigs.
My mini-rig easily fits in my Mustang!
The Ford E350 van stayed home. Yeah!

I can fit 2 more MB 112 cabs in the 'stang if I ever need to although I have a pair of JBL PRX612 cabs and an Audix D6 mic so I think I have everything covered.
 
#27
bassboysam said:
thanks Bill so looking at the B810 specs the max linear excursion is 4.7mm and max mechanical limit is 9.5mm. when you say "original SVT driver" are you referring to the CTS or the Emminence driver used afterwards?
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CTS, though the first gen Eminence were more or less exact copies.
 
#28
Personally I would just buy a new cabinet, a newer Ampeg 8x10 like you said that has a higher wattage handling. However I would say you should keep your vintage cab for perhaps playing or practicing at home, unless you absolutely need to sell it to fund the new cab. I too have seen some used but in good working and cosmetic shape more modern Ampeg 8x10's at Guitar Center's for less than $500.
 
#29
I tested 3 different 8x10's. A straightback, a new VR from Nam and the Heritage. We tried them with a Vietnam VR, a 73 SVT, a 78 SVT and the Heritage CL.

The jury were a guitarist (no preferences in advance on what to like), a journalist (this test is published in a dutch bassplayers magazine) and me (scared I had to spend 1400 euro's on a new Heritage 8x10 if mine would've lost).

Our tests showed that the straighback sounded the fattest, openest, most dynamic, tightest and the most punchy.

The Heritage 8x10 sounded a little muffled, but great nonetheless. When you push the mids, the ' problem' is more or less solved.

The VR from Nam sucked ASS. Thin, nasal.

BTW, I had a 78 towelbar that I didn't like as well. Thin, nasal too. Sold it as soon as I compared it to the straightback. Absolutely no match.

When I had to buy new, I'd go for the Heritage. I don't, so I have a straightback. Still the best.
 
#30
jvdb said:
I tested 3 different 8x10's. A straightback, a new VR from Nam and the Heritage. We tried them with a Vietnam VR, a 73 SVT, a 78 SVT and the Heritage CL.

The jury were a guitarist (no preferences in advance on what to like), a journalist (this test is published in a dutch bassplayers magazine) and me (scared I had to spend 1400 euro's on a new Heritage 8x10 if mine would've lost).

Our tests showed that the straighback sounded the fattest, openest, most dynamic, tightest and the most punchy.

The Heritage 8x10 sounded a little muffled, but great nonetheless. When you push the mids, the ' problem' is more or less solved.

The VR from Nam sucked ASS. Thin, nasal.

BTW, I had a 78 towelbar that I didn't like as well. Thin, nasal too. Sold it as soon as I compared it to the straightback. Absolutely no match.

When I had to buy new, I'd go for the Heritage. I don't, so I have a straightback. Still the best.
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I did that too!.
Then I bought an Eden 8X10LXT cos it made me grin like a looney.:bassist:
 
#33
Great info. Thanks.





jvdb said:
I tested 3 different 8x10's. A straightback, a new VR from Nam and the Heritage. We tried them with a Vietnam VR, a 73 SVT, a 78 SVT and the Heritage CL.

The jury were a guitarist (no preferences in advance on what to like), a journalist (this test is published in a dutch bassplayers magazine) and me (scared I had to spend 1400 euro's on a new Heritage 8x10 if mine would've lost).

Our tests showed that the straighback sounded the fattest, openest, most dynamic, tightest and the most punchy.

The Heritage 8x10 sounded a little muffled, but great nonetheless. When you push the mids, the ' problem' is more or less solved.

The VR from Nam sucked ASS. Thin, nasal.

BTW, I had a 78 towelbar that I didn't like as well. Thin, nasal too. Sold it as soon as I compared it to the straightback. Absolutely no match.

When I had to buy new, I'd go for the Heritage. I don't, so I have a straightback. Still the best.
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#34
bassboysam said:
I need some opinions fellow TBers. I currently have a mid to late 70s SVT 810. While I like the sound of the cab, my band is simply too loud forcing me to turn up my volume. Since the cab is rated for 250 watts I find the speakers are struggling to keep up.
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Get a Bergantino NV610 cab. It has that vintage flavor of the old 810 cabs and is also sealed, but it's more efficient and louder by comparison. Great match with an SVT.
 
#35
If money is an issue and you are not overly stuck with Ampeg, then I would definitely recommend the Ashdown ABM/MAG 810. Can't beat them in value for money and considering they are 800w at 4ohm then win win. Also the blue line speakers are really robust, punchy, clear and can handle being battered!

andy
 
#36
Hey OP, any progress on this? Read a couple posts in search where someone used four of the B810s with four original speakers...matched pairs each row of 10s of course. Wonder if that would work? Anybody want to comment on whether a higher wattage on half the speakers would "help" the others in the power handling? What about phase issues mixing speakers in a cab where each pair is sealed from the others?
 
#37
I would suggest this:

If money is no object, get the matamp 810. If you're on a budget, wait for a used SVT810E made in Vietnam. I swear there are at least a few fridges in the local CL every time I check, so they're always around.

I have a Made in Vietnam 810. It's a great sounding cab, and you can run lots of power into it. But hey, my "great" my just be "good enough" to your ears. Your amp is pretty high end.
 
#38
someparts said:
Hey OP, any progress on this? Read a couple posts in search where someone used four of the B810s with four original speakers...matched pairs each row of 10s of course. Wonder if that would work? Anybody want to comment on whether a higher wattage on half the speakers would "help" the others in the power handling? What about phase issues mixing speakers in a cab where each pair is sealed from the others?
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no, still have not pulled the trigger on anything. currently leaning towards replacing the speakers in my cab as opposed to getting a new cab.

if you mix speakers then your power handeling is going to be as high as the lowest rated speaker(s). you may get some cool tones but it won't improve the power handeling capacity.
 
#39
derridiandrift said:
I would suggest this:

If money is no object, get the matamp 810. If you're on a budget, wait for a used SVT810E made in Vietnam. I swear there are at least a few fridges in the local CL every time I check, so they're always around.

I have a Made in Vietnam 810. It's a great sounding cab, and you can run lots of power into it. But hey, my "great" my just be "good enough" to your ears. Your amp is pretty high end.
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would love to go with the matamp, just not sure i wan to drop $1600 on a cab right now. Ampeg 810s are not as cheap or as common in my parts. I played a gig last night with my GT200 with an 810E (not sure what year though) and the improved power handeling was very evident. a lot less speaker fart.
 

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