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A different way to look at expensive gear

Attraction never changes. Girls want someone they can brag to their friends about (eg being in a band, same as you telling your friends how hot your gf is) and who is a leader. The alpha male, if you will. That whole not giving a damn what other people think thing comes into this.

I won't go into it heaps here, but if anyone is interested I recommend first reading a book called 'The Game' and then following on with further research as it interests you. It works.

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Rarely will girls, unless they play bass, have an opinion about your gear. I used to play a Johnson brand bass, got tail all the time. The most expensive bass I own cost me $300, and looks much more pricey.
So you don't know what kind of women you'd attract with a $3000 bass, ha! Who knows, they might be the same exact ones, or they might not. Honestly, I don't know either, I play the vast majority of my non-church gigs on DB so I don't have a lot of comparison points.

I'd love to talk a grad student of psychology into doing some research on whether people find a musician more attractive when playing a recognizable brand-name instrument vs. the same guy with a generic cheap knockoff. I suspect there would be a small difference, but that's just a suspicion.

I do know some research has been done on whether dressing well will make people think you sound better, here's an abstract: Invalid Link Removed - dressing well makes people think you actually sound better at classical violin auditions.
 
My Johnson has always served me pretty well in that regard too.

:D:p:hyper:

I am a seasoned core rocker. The whole do whatever you want and don't mind other people's opinion thing. Hate to break the news to you,that doesn't work anymore.

:rolleyes: This guy... he knows everything

I won't go into it heaps here, but if anyone is interested I recommend first reading a book called 'The Game' and then following on with further research as it interests you. It works.

If your goal is to pick up on easy women.

So you don't know what kind of women you'd attract with a $3000 bass, ha! Who knows, they might be the same exact ones, or they might not

True enough. I havent even tried picking up on a woman in over 2 years, and dont plan on doing so pretty much ever again. Its sad, by the time I can afford a $3k bass I'll be shacked up... wonder if that high end bass will pull in hot girls interested in 3somes. Lol
 
Now that would be an excellent research topic. But for girls interested in threesomes, I already have the perfect bass:

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I'd love to talk a grad student of psychology into doing some research on whether people find a musician more attractive when playing a recognizable brand-name instrument vs. the same guy with a generic cheap knockoff. I suspect there would be a small difference, but that's just a suspicion.


That would be interesting. However, I also would add in that I notice this thread is doing something that most everyone is guilty of--boiling down attraction factor to one type. Women, like men, are all attracted to different things. Some will go for the guy in the tux and the DB, while others go for the punk rocker with a squier P-bass, and I would bet that in most cases, it really doesn't matter what brand it is, but moreso what you are doing with it, and if you want to consider looks, I bet it has more to do with the scene than what specific bass you are playing. If it's a jazz gig and everyone is playing clean, well-made instruments, you are going to look silly with a krappy punk rod, while if you are in a punk band and you are playing an MTD and hiding out in the shadows motionless as you play, you are going to look just as silly.

To tie this in with the blog article, that's why the rockers have the cheap/torn clothing at their rock gigs--it's an overall look thing, not just the instrument. If MatticusMania is rockin' his johnson at a gig that suits it, then that's fine--you aren't going to get jazz fans of the gender of your choosing at a rock gig--you are going to have people there who expect a certain look and attitude. A gig is just as visual as it is aural (similar to the violin study).
 
Since this has turned into a how to pick up women at gigs thread I'll add my 2¢. No one has mentioned yet that different band genres attract different women with different taste. I play blues. Unfortunately blues groupies usually leave a lot to be desired, the occasional attractive woman usually comes in escorted. My guess is that a woman at a punk rock show is going to have significantly different taste in men from say a jazz fusion gig. What would be attractive to the punk rocker would most likely be a turn off to the jazz fusion fan and visa-versa.
 
Since this has turned into a how to pick up women at gigs thread I'll add my 2¢. No one has mentioned yet that different band genres attract different women with different taste. I play blues. Unfortunately blues groupies usually leave a lot to be desired, the occasional attractive woman usually comes in escorted. My guess is that a woman at a punk rock show is going to have significantly different taste in men from say a jazz fusion gig. What would be attractive to the punk rocker would most likely be a turn off to the jazz fusion fan and visa-versa.

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That would be interesting. However, I also would add in that I notice this thread is doing something that most everyone is guilty of--boiling down attraction factor to one type. Women, like men, are all attracted to different things. Some will go for the guy in the tux and the DB, while others go for the punk rocker with a squier P-bass, and I would bet that in most cases, it really doesn't matter what brand it is, but moreso what you are doing with it, and if you want to consider looks, I bet it has more to do with the scene than what specific bass you are playing. If it's a jazz gig and everyone is playing clean, well-made instruments, you are going to look silly with a krappy punk rod, while if you are in a punk band and you are playing an MTD and hiding out in the shadows motionless as you play, you are going to look just as silly.

To tie this in with the blog article, that's why the rockers have the cheap/torn clothing at their rock gigs--it's an overall look thing, not just the instrument. If MatticusMania is rockin' his johnson at a gig that suits it, then that's fine--you aren't going to get jazz fans of the gender of your choosing at a rock gig--you are going to have people there who expect a certain look and attitude. A gig is just as visual as it is aural (similar to the violin study).

This is the major point to notice. You're going to get different people in different places, who will be attracted to different things. Figure out your demographic and do what you gotta do to attract it.
 
I didn't say I rocked the, "just out of bed" look Tom! I just said there are some girls out there who dig that. I don't like the sort of girls who are into that either!

I have expensive tastes when it comes to my footwear and my coats, but I wear very understated tshirts and usually a normal looking pair of jeans! I'm long haired, tattooed and pierced, but I'm attracted to a much more "normal" looking kind of girl. I don't know what they see in me, but I do fine! I definitely follow your mentality on the cologne, my usual cologne is around $100ish a bottle, and I'm always complimented on how I smell!

Just having a little fun young man! However, the advice, which I put here for free, is actually sound.

Wanna pick up chicks, band or not? You must be confident (not egotistical jerk) and have the elements. I find that if you cannot afford name brand stuff, go with stuff that the brand doesn't show or is non-existent. My love Suzanne loved a pair of jeans I had, but when she saw the tag that said Kirkland (that's Costco brand) she made me take it off. After polling the ladies, they all agreed. They love the jeans, and since the tag is removed they only judge my stuff in the jeans, not the brand of the jeans.

Same with my shirts. I don't wear logo'd shirts much anymore. Most of my collection of shirts are plain, single color, no visible brand. Just look good. The ladies judge me, not the brand. I saw a guy the other day wearing one of those shirts with the design on the shoulder and chest and it said some store name that was beyond cheap. The shirt looked cool, and the guy was fit. But when the girls at the bar saw it I overheard them making fun of it. Pretty much summed it up for me.

Love ya dj!
 
I guess it depends on where you are.

When I play a gig in Worcester, about an hour outside of Boston and far away from Berklee, nobody knows what kind of gear you're playing. People generally have a good time if you sound good and will dance if you can get them to.

When I play a gig in Boston, especially around Berklee, there's always at least a couple of Berklee cats (sometimes a roomful, depending on who I'm playing with) standing around with their arms crossed, grimacing detatchedly and critiquing your gear and every note you play.

At any rate, these days I usually wear penny loafers and a corduroy blazer when I play out.
 
Oh, and as for that different tastes in different scenes thing.. I think it's actually exactly the same no matter what scene you're in. What they want is someone who looks like they are a LEADER in that scene. So being in a good band, knowing people, looking like you're just that bit more into it than everyone else. It's all about giving the impression that people follow you (great for us bass players!) and take what you say as law.

If you see someone at one of your gigs that you fancy try this, then make friends with her friends (especially the guys) while ignoring her for a bit. Give it a try!
 
Since this has turned into a how to pick up women at gigs thread I'll add my 2¢. No one has mentioned yet that different band genres attract different women with different taste. I play blues. Unfortunately blues groupies usually leave a lot to be desired, the occasional attractive woman usually comes in escorted. My guess is that a woman at a punk rock show is going to have significantly different taste in men from say a jazz fusion gig. What would be attractive to the punk rocker would most likely be a turn off to the jazz fusion fan and visa-versa.

excellent point too! different kind of women for different styles of music.....
 
No they won't. Unless said person in the audience is actually a musician, most people are just going to think you play the big guitar. Nonmusicians may have heard the names Fender, or Gibson, aside from that, its mostly a world unexplored by them. You can be up there playing a $5000 Sadowsky, and a bassist not in the know is going to think you play some offbrand bass theyve never heard of.

my point exacly!!!!! a non musician dosent know the difference between my rogue and a musicman.....
 
I wonder... if you put a Musicman and a Rogue in front of a random non-musician and asked them which one they think cost more, how often would they pick the Musicman.

My guess as to their guesses would be 55% accuracy - better than random, but not by much. You'd definitely have much better accuracy asking people which of two shirts cost more...

Not that any of this matters as much as good songs or a good personality, but if you want to improve your appeal to women or the appeal of your performance in general, these are things that do matter a little.