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A question for the the 'old-timers'...

Back when I started in the 70's, I bought a fairly playable P bass copy for £84. Today a similar entry level instrument costs about the same price, so that's a heck of a lot cheaper in real terms when you consider how most other prices (and incomes) have rocketed since then.

I think new technology (foe example, CNC machinery) has alos made a difference to consistency of qulaity of entry level gear. and developments in electronics have made a big difference to the sort of amp you can get for reasonable £/$. So, in general, yes - improvement is the general pattern, I think.
 
... for those of you who have been into bass for 20+ years. Would you tend to say 'They don't make 'em like they used to', or 'Wow, they've never been better then they are today'.

By 'they' I mean basses in general. Loaded question, I know, but I'm curious to hear what you have to say. Seems that there are more and more decent basses at very reasonable prices, but I haven't been playing long enough to know.

Thanks!

I'm 30+ years in the business.

WAY, WAY, WAY better today (amps, speakers, basses, strings, pickups... everything IMO).

Now, some of the classic companies (Fender, Ampeg) have lost their luster, but in general, things are massively better sounding today, better reliability, etc., etc.
 
First, low end instruments now are far better than they were when I started playing in the early '70s. The starter stuff then was pretty dismal. Now you can get a pretty well-made 34" scale bass with decent tuning machines and electronics. An instrument that can be set up well and will play in tune without requiring prosthetic devices to fret a string.

The more mid-range level stuff? A basic MIA Precision (American Standard) is built better with more consistently high quality than just about anything that left Fullerton beteween 1970 and 1982. Much more attention to detail, good fret work, good hardware properly installed, etc. And you have more options. Until the early 80s, Fender offered only two reach choices to make in a Precision. Rosewood or maple, and (if your dealer was knowledgable) a choice of neck width. Color doesn't count as a real choice- it's just cosmetic (and I think rosewood/maple ultimately comes down to cosemetics too, but that's another issue). Now you can get any number of Precisions- different necks, hardware, electronics, even strings.

Other stuff? You now have choices for real basses now too. In the day, you were either a Gibson, Rick, or Fender bassist, or yearning for one of those. Then came Music Man, then Ibanez started builidng their own basses about the time Leo left MM and started G&L, etc.

You also have the opportunity to know a LOT more about instrument construction. So if you're a gear head you can learn whether this bass has a quarter-sawn neck or a flat-sawn one, graphite bars in the neck, etc. And there's a lot of choices in extremely well made basses. Sorta like what would happen if FMIC only made each and every bass exceptionally well. Mike Lull, Roger Sadowsky, and Dan Lakin, Mike Tobias, Mike Pedula (hmmm... what is it with people named "Mike" building basses?) come to mind here.

The curious thing is that while the lower end has become much better, and the high end has become more common, and even the overall mid is better, we still see too many things that are just plain wrong. Fret sprout is inexcusable in an instrument that purports to be well-made. If the wood is aged enough, you shouldn't expect fret sprout in most normal playiing envitronments. Too many companies leave way too much rubbing compound in the control cavaties. People seem to accept poorly cut nuts. I'm enured to seeing nut slots that are too high, but why do we have to put up with things that don't angle away from the fretboard, that don't angle to the tuning machine wraps, and are poorly glued?

And while fret work has gotten way better these days, there's still a lot of file marks on the (increasingly open-grained) fingerboards, and glue spots splash by the frets.

jte
 
... for those of you who have been into bass for 20+ years. Would you tend to say 'They don't make 'em like they used to', or 'Wow, they've never been better then they are today'.

The latter.

Although you can point to several vintage basses as supreme examples of the type, the fact is that the LOWER PRICED basses they have today would run rings around their counterparts from the 70s, when I first started playing.

Anything "off-brand" in that time was no better than plywood and 2-by-4 with a magnet stuck to it.

Today, you can get a Squier, for just one example, that a professional wouldn't be embarrassed to play in public.
 
Entry level there is no question about the improvements compared to the early eighties when I started. Plywood Hondos and Memphis basses may have been made in Japan, but they were worlds away from what can be had for next to nothing today.

Amps, with a few exceptions (SVT, Acoustic etc.) I would say have also improved dramatically. Additionally, the types available, the power available, and the reduced size/weight of modern amps put them way ahead.

I have mixed feelings about mid-level basses. I purchased my '61 Jazz in 83 for $450 plus a cheap Japanese trade. I have not played a new Jazz that compares. My 78 Guild has a sound unlike anything new I have tried, and I can't say how much I love Peavey SuperFerrite Pickups from the eighties and early nineties. Some of the basses from the sixties through the nineties just haven't been improved upon. There are a great more quality options now, but some of the creativity of those original designs has been lost.

All in all there have been a great deal of improvements, and it is a far easier time to start as a bass player, but I am not always sure that the instrument itself has improved that much.
 
I started playing in the early-mid 80's. I'd say that the entry-level stuff has improved astronomically. That + there's just a whole wide variety now. The MIA Fender stuff, Gibsons, Ricks, higher end brands, etc are all still basically the same as ever though.
 
"I love basses more today than yesterday
but not as much as tomorrow..."

Been playing since 1974; at that time you basically had a choice between 2 or 3 Nice Basses and maybe a half dozen Not-So-Nice basses. The whole concept of Very Nice Basses barely existed (I remember seeing Alembics and thinking "Wow, $1600 for a bass, that price is insane!" God, if my 14 year old self could see me now...). These days there are dozens and dozens of Nice Basses, some of which are embarassingly affordable, plus lots of Very Nice Basses and even a few Unfreaking Believably Nice Basses. The world is your oyster.

Much better now.
 
Gospel:

OLD WOOD IS GOOD

You can have your rainforest plundering exotic hardwoods and
aeronautic electronic controls, and I'll take the plain old 72
Precision that sits perfectly in a mix.

PERFECTION IN AN IMPERFECT WORLD

Today no doubt. But once again:
"Made better does not make it feel or sound better."

What a great thread.
 
Gospel:

OLD WOOD IS GOOD

You can have your rainforest plundering exotic hardwoods and
aeronautic electronic controls, and I'll take the plain old
Precision that sits perfectly in a mix.

PERFECTION IN AN IMPERFECT WORLD

Today no doubt. But once again:
"Made better does not make it feel or sound better."

What a great thread.

I am one who thinks the 'old wood' thing is a total confound. Yes, there are some basses from long ago (some 60's or 70's J's for example) that sound GREAT. However, every bone in my body says those particular instruments (maybe 10% of the production runs of that era that survive today) sounded GREAT right out of the box:smug:

There is no way to test this except to literally go back in time. So, it's not even really worth discussing for the most part.
 
Personally I think basses made today are tons better than instruments produced 20+ years ago! CNC has gotten way better and will get even better and more precise! You have makers like SX, Jay Turser and Rogue cutting into Fender and Ibanez' market and making instruments almost as good right now! I'm even more stoked on amplification. No longer are the days of having to tote a 2x18+2x10, 2x15 or 8x10 behemoth and a 50+lb head! You can get the same thing out of a Markbass LMII and a 4x10, 2x12, 2x10 or 1x12!
 
Much better now I think. I started learning bass in the late '60s and beginner's instruments that you could actually play without getting cramps in your hands and forearm were virtually non-existent. Back then you either bought junk or a pro level bass, there wasn't much in between. Being that my first bass clearly fell in the junk category I still recall the tears and frustration trying to learn on that thing. The number of choices, consistency, and over all quality of most basses is way beyond what we had then. Though I still love my vintage basses of course. ;)
 
I agree with all you mentioned...

Basses, stings and most amps are much better now then 20+ years ago.

There are a few exceptions and I personally love my '70's Fenders, but for the most part EVERYTHING is better now.

For $200-300 (or even less) one can buy a CNC made, far east mass produced bass that is giggable. Not a chance this was happening 20-30 years ago.

I agree witht the above.
The low and mid priced stuff was just mediocre cheap and alot of it was aweful. Now it's very good useable stuff, same with amps. Strings are leaps and bounds way-way better than they used to be.