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A# tuning causes terrible speaker distortion

Since around 91 I've been playin 5 & 6 string instruments, tuned down up to a full step, Metal an beyond, thru an SWR SM-900, and a variety of SWR Goliath and Jr. cabs; IIs, IIIs, etc. In fact, my main rig at moment is my 900 an a Goliath Jr. The amp is stereo, an for rehearsals, tried runnin just one side of my amp. 350 watts, 4ohms. Power amp clipped, causin distortion, an possible speaker damage. That is how I define "underpowered". Why? Cuz when I bridge my amp, a hair over 800w at same 4ohms, no more power amp clipping, no more distortion. But, from what I hear in original post the problem sounds more gain oriented. First, if yer cranking yer bass' pre, check yer battery(s)! OFF-ten! Many weird distortion issues come from this. An EASY fix. 2nd, check the input gain on yer head. If crankin yer preamp, it is easy to overload the head's first preamp stage. Reduce yer gain, both on the bass by puttin eq controls ta flat, and the input on the amp. Then recover volume loss wit the master. I've never had real distortion issues, my bands continue ta tell me to turn down despite my mini rig. And third, many metal players prize distortion in their tone, as evidenced by the myriad of pedals an effects units on the market. Usin some fairly common techniques, you may be able ta learn to control it. Lastly, maybe if yer cab 8ohms, try a 4 ohm cab. Droppin my head to a 4ohm load w/single cab, adds fullness and headroom (along wit sustain bein the keys to great tones, imho), if not more volume. Try this an see, yer distortion issues could be one, or a combination, of above. Check the battery, reduce gain. If helps at all, experiment wit settings ta compliment yer playin an musical styles. Really hope this helps.
 
I appreciate all the feedback. I'm not sure what i'm going to next.. i'm pretty much budgeted out for the next couple months. For now i'll just need to keep depending more on FOH and keep a lot of the low EQ out of the sound when rehearsing.

If anyone has played in an extreme metal band in a detuned fashion and has reasonably priced solutions (or full setup recommendations) i would welcome the help. It won't be for a while yet.. will need to let my recent gear expenditures settle a little bit with the wife first... ;)
 
So how do I know what cabs are designed to handle loud detuned playing?

Uh...tuning down 1/2 step means only the open Bb (A#) is lower than the original range of a BEADG 5er. Are you only playing that one string open the whole time??? :D:eyebrow::eek::ninja:
 
My main tunin a half step down, then I drop tune B an E string a full step, essentially "drop D flat" tunin wit my "B" at A flat. I do use parametric eqs, no compression. Another hint I learned, pullin fundamental freq's, replacin wit next octave up. Ex: Low B at approximately 31.5 hz. I'll reduce that frequency, an add at 63 or 125. Same effect to ears an PA, but saves power and increases damping factor. Another BIG factor in "tight, efficient" tone. Shoulda clarified my tunin. And, i've played low F#s on sevens, tunin UP to my standard tunin. I still have yet to get a clean, low F# ta punch as well an my dropped B. I think that is my hearin more than anythin else. Hard ta hear that low inna mix.
 
Oops... Don't "flame" me fer sayin I "increase" damping factor of my amp. I miswrote. The effect from reducin fundamentals and increasing next higher harmonic moves my spkrs less on initial startup, makin them easier for my amp ta stop their motion when it's time. Damping factor is constant. But eq can help ta keep speaker "flab" from hap'nin.
 
Hi
I have 2 SWR goliath 3's and neither one farts out with my 6 string detuned to Bb...And thats at a pretty good volume..I would do what the other TB's said and check your amp and guitar.. I did need to tighten the screws on the speakers... but be carefull when you put the grill back on that you don't over tighten it as it compress the rubber standoffs and you will pop some speakers (learned the hard way)


Good luck
 
My main tuning's a half step down, then I drop tune B and E string a full step, essentially "drop D flat" tuning with my "B" at A flat...

All good, but pitch range-wise the OP is only "tuned-down" when he plays his open Bb—the lowest note on his instrument.

Every other note would be present on a standard tuned BEADG 5er, so given his cab (SWR Goliath III) it seems likely his distortion problems are not caused by tuning down 1/2 step. :cool:

Either it is level, eq (or both), battery, or malfunction in his rig. N.B. I had a similar problem with a Goliath II when one driver lost connection to the internal harness. Check to make sure all 4 drivers are working (and the horn). :eyebrow:
 
First, +1 fer wirin an horn. I turn my horns down doin this heavy stuff, an wirin in cabs can have big effect. Goin there, check bulb fuse on horn an crossover itself fer burned "bulb" fuse, or burned spots on xover.
As far as pitch, I was only illustratin extremes at which my gear has run GREAT, op's similar gear not so much. It can, and in my opinion SHOULD work, but we all different as players. My extremes listed so op won't feel NEED to change gear, an intimidatin proposition considerin some folks' economic situation. My rig fluctuates due to many factors, I.e., room size, foh support, monitors, etc. He mentions rehearsal. Lotsa spaces really challenge bass rigs. I know I typically run way hotter in rehearsal than live. I just wanted ta give op confidence others have succeded wit similar gear in similar situations.
 
I appreciate all the feedback. I'm not sure what i'm going to next.. i'm pretty much budgeted out for the next couple months. For now i'll just need to keep depending more on FOH and keep a lot of the low EQ out of the sound when rehearsing.

If anyone has played in an extreme metal band in a detuned fashion and has reasonably priced solutions (or full setup recommendations) i would welcome the help. It won't be for a while yet.. will need to let my recent gear expenditures settle a little bit with the wife first... ;)

I played in a band tuned to a low A. High pass filter is your friend, you won't miss anything below 45hz, ignore the fundamentals, they don't count for anything because your pickup isn't under the 12th fret. A valve amp output transformer does a pretty good high pass. The Thumpinator mentioned is a high pass, but pulling the lowest slider of a graphic eq might do just as well. Bump some low mids a little to get some beef.