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ABGs - some experiences thoughts and questions.

Another note about playing ABG with others... If your experience is with guitarists who are primarily electric players used to light strings e.g. using a Taylor with 11s or lighter an ABG might work unamplified in a small setting. If you are playing with a guitarist who grew up on bluegrass, and talks reverently of Martin D28s with medium strings (13s or bigger) as a a"cannon", even a double bass may not be loud enough
 
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Yeah agreed those are awesome and much better, but at least in my area very hard to find. You can find a cello for under $100 in many pawn shops though.

Yeah. I don't know where you are located, but now they are *very* hard to find, and not cheap when you do find one. I was lucky; got mine more than a decade ago, and at sensible prices.
 
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I'll mention this, only because it's louder unplugged than most, but again, you'd lose a little volume if you put on the proper strings.

As for being five times louder?
Please, it's clearly not as loud as the Dean sitting in the stand!


I have a PBB resonator that is very similar to this one. It indeed is louder than most other ABGs, although not in any revolutionary manner... the main benefit is that it allows you to achieve above-average volume in a (relatively) smaller-sized format and with decent action. In my experience, a decent resonator bass -- if played with a pick, using bronze strings, and a firm attack -- can just barely manage to keep up with an acoustic guitar if the guitarist isn't particularly loud. It of course would sound nothing like an upright bass.
 
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No argument. But given the qualifiers and limiters OP put in #1, sort of apples and oranges.
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I don't recall anyone here saying it does compare, just getting reasonably close.

Many, many, (most really if we're honest about it) times in music close is close enough.

Sometimes it's not, just depends on the situation and the player.
 
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No argument. But given the qualifiers and limiters OP put in #1, sort of apples and oranges.

I was on a similar quest and have a few options that work for what I need. La Bella tapewounds (and foam) help my Jasmine/Takamine and Aria FEB/FL FN usable for my semi-acoustic trio but when I was lucky enough to grab a Stagg EUB it was obvious that it was 'the one.' Of course I can't play all of our songs due to my capabilities on the upright BUT I can play about 75% of them! All with amplification, I don't really think there's any way around that.
 
I was on a similar quest and have a few options that work for what I need. La Bella tapewounds (and foam) help my Jasmine/Takamine and Aria FEB/FL FN usable for my semi-acoustic trio but when I was lucky enough to grab a Stagg EUB it was obvious that it was 'the one.' Of course I can't play all of our songs due to my capabilities on the upright BUT I can play about 75% of them! All with amplification, I don't really think there's any way around that.

I agree. Sort of the unacknowledged gorilla in the room throughout this entire discussion has been that in a performance situation, everybody, including the acoustic guitars, is going to be amplified. So it's almost like we all are focusing on irrelevancies.

I admit I was never big on EUBs, until I got smitten by this:

 
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I've been looking at acoustic bass guitars lately. As such I've tried a few recently, and have some questions!

My interest lies in getting a bass that sounds a bit like an upright, but is a lot smaller than a real upright. It would be used sparingly in my collection!

Getting into ABG territory can be tricky, especially once you have some tonal qualifiers on your mind already.

To elaborate, take the phrase 'sounds like upright' - then go listen to Paul Chambers, then Ray Brown, then Niels-Henning, and ponder for a moment exactly what that means. One instrument with the same set of strings isn't copping all of those different tonal profiles.

There's a heck of a lot more variance in the tone of different ABGs than there are with solid body basses. Relatively speaking, a P Bass is going to sound like a P Bass. Not so with acoustic basses. There are a number of different designs from different builders, some which may suit your needs better than others. Due to the organic nature of wood and the greater degree that resonance/vibration of said wood plays the the tone of an acoustic instrument, there also is often some small variance in tone even among different builds of the same make and model of an instrument.

String choice is of primary importance with any ABG. In your case, flats or tapes will likely get you much closer to your goal than phosphor bronze.

Of the fretless ABGs I've been fortunate to try, three have really caught my ear:

The Breedlove solo. Really nice tone with flats and a pleasure to play unplugged with the side sound hole. Also relatively affordable at under $1K. Unfortunately for me the balance put the neck too far out for me to play comfortably for any extended period, which sadly was a deal breaker.

Rick Turner Renaissance. Great tone, plays very easily with the ultra-low tension Acousticore strings.

Rob Allen MB-2. My current ABG. I am a big fan of the tone, simplicity of controls, playability, and balance - the bass hangs more like my solid body basses than most other ABGs I've played, which becomes really important to me on the later part of a long gig.


If I could give two additional bits to ponder:

1) Finding the right ABG is a trial and error process, both with finding the right instrument as well as the right set of strings. You will likely have to try many, and perhaps own and flip a few. The MB-2 I have now was not my first venture into this tonal realm, but I'm glad I stuck it out to find an instrument that is satisfying to play.

2) Ultimately an ABG is going to sound like itself and nothing else. It's not quite a slab, not quite a DB either. Others may disagree, but as someone who plays both BG and DB I am of the conviction that trying to get a bass to sound like something it is not is only going to lead to disappointment. The best designed ABGs may get close to the DB sound but as of today I have never heard or played one that made want to put my Shen up for sale.

I do hope, though, that on your ABG journey you will find a new, different sound that fills a niche for you.
 
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I agree. Sort of the unacknowledged gorilla in the room throughout this entire discussion has been that in a performance situation, everybody, including the acoustic guitars, is going to be amplified. So it's almost like we all are focusing on irrelevancies.

I admit I was never big on EUBs, until I got smitten by this:



They all have their sonic space and use, as I say... 'serve the song, serve the band.' I never really used my fretless AGB until the right 'project' showed up, then it became the preferred. Then came the EUB. My playing has been improving since I've been using the upright.
 
I've been looking at acoustic bass guitars lately. As such I've tried a few recently, and have some questions!

My interest lies in getting a bass that sounds a bit like an upright, but is a lot smaller than a real upright. It would be used sparingly in my collection!

With this in mind I tried a Fender CB-60SCE and liked the small body of it, but it didn't have a lot of output. I tried a bigger Ibanez acoustic bass and it had no volume, which was surprising as the body was substantially bigger than the Fender. I tried a massive Tanglewood fretless acoustic bass and it had no volume. I tried a Dean acoustic bass and it had a big deep body... and no volume.

I also tried a mini Guild acoustic bass, no bigger than a Jumbo acoustic guitar, and it had a lot more output, tone and general snap. How does that work?

Most of the above basses had horribly high action. They all had phosphor bronze strings. These strings seem to be stiff and don't vibrate much for the energy you put into them.

I would like a wee acoustic bass that sounds like an upright. With this in mind, is it worth getting the Fender (one of the cheaper options, and small enough to play comfortably), defretting it, finishing the fretboard, sticking on tapes or TI Jazz flats and always having to plug it in to gig with?


I'm guessing that in the main too much conventional acoustic guitar tech was scaled up to make ABGs, rather than builders taking a new approach to making them work?
I got a Michael Kelly Club Deluxe 5. I strung it with TI Jazz flats (E-C) and a K&K pickup on the underside of the soundboard. That went a long way toward getting a better sound for walking/jazz bass. I have to cover up the sound hole when I amplify it. So I bought the bass used for about $275. The mods cost about $125 or so. It's a great axe now, and I love playing it -- sounds much better than any stock ABG's I've played.
 
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I've owned several over the years and the only one I felt able to project on any level was the breedlove. I can't go as far as to say that I was impressed by the projection though. If you're going for the look of an acoustic knowing that you'll have to plug it in there are good options out there although I'd probably just go with a semi-hollow body like an Epi Jack Casady for example. At least one guy on here is swearing by the by Guild. I'd be curious to see how they project but I won't hold my breath. There hasn't been any ABG I've encountered in 25 years that could project sound equal to what you would expect from a regular acoustic guitar. My opinion is if you want acoustic Bass and don't want to use an amp you need to get an upright.
 
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someone mentioned the Breedlove solo....but the Breedlove Oregon Concerto is the one to get...its handmade quality with a lifetime warranty and it costs a little over 2K............Invalid Link Removed

That's a beautiful instrument, but it's not a bass. While the Solo Bass is made in Asia, it still carries a lifetime warranty (but tuning machines and electronics are warranted for 2 years). Though one might be able to get Breedlove to build a bass in the Bend, Oregon factory. Worth a call if you have the budget for it.
 
That's a beautiful instrument, but it's not a bass. While the Solo Bass is made in Asia, it still carries a lifetime warranty (but tuning machines and electronics are warranted for 2 years). Though one might be able to get Breedlove to build a bass in the Bend, Oregon factory. Worth a call if you have the budget for it.
sorry..my mistake..I typed in Breedlove bass guitars and this came up along with others..I read the spec page but didnt catch it was a six stringer...a few years back I did play a Breedlove acoustic bass at a gjuitar center and it sounded really good..and was quality built..dont remember the model..but I think it was their top bass made at that time..
 
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I own 2 ABG's. A Dean 4 string and a Micheal Kelly Dragonfly fretless 5er. Both have larger bodies. Both have weak acoustic output and require an amp to use in any setting. None sound like an upright. I shopped extensively for just what you described several years ago and found that I could get that sound from an ABG, but it was the Kala mini bass that has nylon strings. Sounds very much like an upright, I re-evaluated what I needed and now only use the ABG's at church for looks (plugged into the PA).... YMMV
 
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Me versus the notifications telling me I've been quoted...

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Thanks everybody so far for answering here! I'm sensing a couple of themes here:

  • A decent ABG really is a ground-up specially designed instrument, not a bigger/longer acoustic guitar with fewer strings. And you pay for it!

  • I won't get an upright sound out of an ABG.

  • I will have to plug in!

  • There are some cool upright solutions out there!

  • Some sort of flats are the way to go; ditch the phosphor bronzers.

How did I do?? :laugh:

I'm guessing that basically ABG are a much of a muchness, so I might as well get one I like and ditch the pretense of playing plugged in.

My idea of an 'upright' sound is a bit of fretless 'mwah', but woodier than a fretless electric bass. A nice sort of boxy low-mids response as well. This is why I think defretting a bass is the way to go. I'm talking about absolutely faking it, rather than nailing the tone.

I tried a friend's Stagg electric upright and didn't enjoy it. I used to play viola as a kid, so I'm not against rightly radiused necks, but... through a Big Muff it was fun for five minutes.

So this guy plus pliers:

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I tried the natural finish version of this and it was good enough, really. Pretty quiet, but it didn't feel a mile away from my Starfire in terms of size.
 

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