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About to start gigging again....whats new?

Hey all

About to start playing again in a working three piece after really doing only writing and recording projects over the past 7 years or so.

Gonna be your standard sort of covers outfit, three piece, ill be doing BVs.

My rig as it stands will be:
Greco p bass
GK 700rb into markbass new yorker 2x12 or trace elliot 4x10 depending on venue size
Sm58 for vocals

can anyone recommend:
1. Use of tablets/ipad for set lists etc
2. Pedal effects that anyone uses with their bass rig that they think are 'essential'
3. Best tuner for on stage bass tuning
4. General tips n tricks for getting the best live sound out of the above rig
5. Any other pearls of wisdom?

Maybe im over thinking this and I should just drink beer, put all the amp dials at mid day and hope for the best.
 
Hey all

About to start playing again in a working three piece after really doing only writing and recording projects over the past 7 years or so.

Gonna be your standard sort of covers outfit, three piece, ill be doing BVs.

My rig as it stands will be:
Greco p bass
GK 700rb into markbass new yorker 2x12 or trace elliot 4x10 depending on venue size
Sm58 for vocals

can anyone recommend:
1. Use of tablets/ipad for set lists etc
2. Pedal effects that anyone uses with their bass rig that they think are 'essential'
3. Best tuner for on stage bass tuning
4. General tips n tricks for getting the best live sound out of the above rig
5. Any other pearls of wisdom?

Maybe im over thinking this and I should just drink beer, put all the amp dials at mid day and hope for the best.

Well, I kinda took your last sentence and ran with it when I picked up the bass after 21 years (Except that I went with diet Coke and iced tea. Alcohol is like poison to my system. Which is fine...:D)

I don't know how the futureshock will be after seven years, but I can tell ya, the ride from not touching a bass for 21 years to practicing my tail off to working nearly full-time again has been one of the exhilarating things I've ever experienced. I was 55, but I'm 57 now. A big part of that is discovering the world of technology available now. The internet, iPads, YouTube, magazines, iTunes and other music services, all are a fantastic boon to help us along, but it still comes down to just playing the thing all you can. Thankfully, I remained a big ol' geek the whole time, so the internet and all the computer trappings weren't new to me.

I'm just sticking my $.02 in here, you'll get much better answers than I can give. I've been back at it for two years and I'm still uncovering outrageously cool things about the modern bass-playing field. Except for the money. It still sucks....:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::rollno::bassist:

Good luck and enjoy the ride!
 
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Well, I kinda took your last sentence and ran with it when I picked up the bass after 21 years (Except that I went with diet Coke and iced tea. Alcohol is like poison to my system. Which is fine...:D)

I don't know how the futureshock will be after seven years, but I can tell ya, the ride from not touching a bass for 21 years to practicing my tail off to working nearly full-time again has been one of the exhilarating things I've ever experienced. I was 55, but I'm 57 now. A big part of that is discovering the world of technology available now. The internet, iPads, YouTube, magazines, iTunes and other music services, all are a fantastic boon to help us along, but it still comes down to just playing the thing all you can. Thankfully, I remained a big ol' geek the whole time, so the internet and all the computer trappings weren't new to me.

I'm just sticking my $.02 in here, you'll get much better answers than I can give. I've been back at it for two years and I'm still uncovering outrageously cool things about the modern bass-playing field. Except for the money. It still sucks....:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::rollno::bassist:

Good luck and enjoy the ride!
Thanks for the reply, very entertaining and reassuring!
Luckily I'm not in it for the money :p
And I have kept up my playing , just not live.
yeh, I'm excited. It's been too long!
 
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Have you investigated other mics? I know a lot of people are die hard fans of the SM58 and I used to be, but perhaps try out some of the others. I used a Heil PR40 on my last gig for vocals and man was it clear and clean. I have used an EV, ND767 I think, off the top of my head, and others. IMO some of these make the SM58 sound like it is suppressed with a blanket on top.

What PA gear? There have been some really amazing strides in active speaker tech. RCF HD12a or HD32a - MAN! Or the RCF Evox 8 - roll it in and setup is oh-so-quick and already balanced. Digital mixers - oh my! Or the Yorkville Parasource PS12P - how in the world did they get THAT bass response out of a 12"!!!
 
I did my first gig this year after 23yrs without and about 13 without playing and it was great to get back into it (other than the late nights). For me, what I noticed is that:

1 - its still about the people you are playing with. Liked the guys from my college band; like the folks I play with now. Been asked to sit in with people with less than optimal attitudes, and I don't need to do that, which is good.
2 - The tech for making song/lead charts is really nice. I did a fill-in gig and had to pick up 25 songs in about 2 weeks, so I used Finale Songwriter to make some charts for me. Very helpful to have either printed for reference pre-song or on an iPad with a clip for a mic stand.
3 - don't think any pedals are must have, but I have a TC BH550 head and use the tone print function for some grit and a light overdrive as well as EQ. Works well. I have an always on compressor for a 4:1 reduction to use primarily as a limiter and like what it does. I just started using a TC mini Flashback delay as a reverb to thicken the sound with a group where we have up to 3 guitarists, so perhaps consider something like that if your sound needs to be thickened up. I also have a chorus pedal for certain songs, but not sure I will keep it.
4 - the BH550 has an on-board tuner, so I'm covered there. The Snark clip on tuner is becoming ubiquitous, but I think they look a little too beginner-band for my taste in a live setting. I have one for when I'm not using my amp head and use it off stage for my back up bass, then put it down on the amp. If I need to tune more than in between sets, something is very wrong. My backup bass is currently tuned to open C for a specific song, so I use my backup to deal with any alternate tunings. I think the pedal tuners with a mute switch are really nice and much more professional looking and sounding (the TC Polytune mini is very popular and the same technology they use in their amps; it is very nice). I like the mute button as well, so that the audience does not hear all the twanging during tuning, as well as the mute is great if you need to switch guitars or unplug. Pretty fair price and can be also found used on Reverb or (sl)E-(azy)Bay.
5 - don't know your amp, but even with mine, I find a good set up check and sound check works well. I set my amp EQ, then adjust my tone knob and pickup balance for a given song to get the tone I want. Works well so far.
6 - ear protection. Tinnitus sucks, so consider good custom ear plugs with a reasonable filter or IEM's to protect your hearing. Your ears are degenerative; protect and treat them that way! I have 1964Ears quads and even for a 3-piece in a small setting, they were helpful because I had to stand right next to the drums on a postage stamp stage. My ears felt great after. Even if you have balanced and reasonable noise levels, consider this. They are really helpful for protection and monitoring. Couldn't believe how helpful they were and a great investment.
7 - personal recording devices - I use an iRig and will often record my parts for cover songs, just to get a better sense of my timing and tone. Couldn't do that so well back in the day without serious recording gear, but now for $100 and free software (GarageBand or Audacity), you can record and critique yourself. It also allows pitch shifting a song so that you don't have to go to an alternate tuning to practice. E.g. we play Superstition, Breaking the Girl and Would and I just set up the song in GarageBand and play over it after using the pitch-shift function to make up for the 1/2 step tuning.

I started the Berklee Bass Professional Certificate Program to get my skills up to snuff and improve further, so lessons/classes may be something else to think about. Hope this is of some help.

Have fun! I did not realize how much I missed playing and you will likely do fine given you stayed active in music.
 
Have you investigated other mics? I know a lot of people are die hard fans of the SM58 and I used to be, but perhaps try out some of the others. I used a Heil PR40 on my last gig for vocals and man was it clear and clean. I have used an EV, ND767 I think, off the top of my head, and others. IMO some of these make the SM58 sound like it is suppressed with a blanket on top.

What PA gear? There have been some really amazing strides in active speaker tech. RCF HD12a or HD32a - MAN! Or the RCF Evox 8 - roll it in and setup is oh-so-quick and already balanced. Digital mixers - oh my! Or the Yorkville Parasource PS12P - how in the world did they get THAT bass response out of a 12"!!!

Hmmm that is interesting about the mics, and I'm sure your right. However I allready have an sm58 and have spent a bit on my rig recently. But I hear ya, and when the time comes to replace the sm58 I'll look around.
Pa wise it's a Makie desk and powered Yamahas
 
I did my first gig this year after 23yrs without and about 13 without playing and it was great to get back into it (other than the late nights). For me, what I noticed is that:

1 - its still about the people you are playing with. Liked the guys from my college band; like the folks I play with now. Been asked to sit in with people with less than optimal attitudes, and I don't need to do that, which is good.
2 - The tech for making song/lead charts is really nice. I did a fill-in gig and had to pick up 25 songs in about 2 weeks, so I used Finale Songwriter to make some charts for me. Very helpful to have either printed for reference pre-song or on an iPad with a clip for a mic stand.
3 - don't think any pedals are must have, but I have a TC BH550 head and use the tone print function for some grit and a light overdrive as well as EQ. Works well. I have an always on compressor for a 4:1 reduction to use primarily as a limiter and like what it does. I just started using a TC mini Flashback delay as a reverb to thicken the sound with a group where we have up to 3 guitarists, so perhaps consider something like that if your sound needs to be thickened up. I also have a chorus pedal for certain songs, but not sure I will keep it.
4 - the BH550 has an on-board tuner, so I'm covered there. The Snark clip on tuner is becoming ubiquitous, but I think they look a little too beginner-band for my taste in a live setting. I have one for when I'm not using my amp head and use it off stage for my back up bass, then put it down on the amp. If I need to tune more than in between sets, something is very wrong. My backup bass is currently tuned to open C for a specific song, so I use my backup to deal with any alternate tunings. I think the pedal tuners with a mute switch are really nice and much more professional looking and sounding (the TC Polytune mini is very popular and the same technology they use in their amps; it is very nice). I like the mute button as well, so that the audience does not hear all the twanging during tuning, as well as the mute is great if you need to switch guitars or unplug. Pretty fair price and can be also found used on Reverb or (sl)E-(azy)Bay.
5 - don't know your amp, but even with mine, I find a good set up check and sound check works well. I set my amp EQ, then adjust my tone knob and pickup balance for a given song to get the tone I want. Works well so far.
6 - ear protection. Tinnitus sucks, so consider good custom ear plugs with a reasonable filter or IEM's to protect your hearing. Your ears are degenerative; protect and treat them that way! I have 1964Ears quads and even for a 3-piece in a small setting, they were helpful because I had to stand right next to the drums on a postage stamp stage. My ears felt great after. Even if you have balanced and reasonable noise levels, consider this. They are really helpful for protection and monitoring. Couldn't believe how helpful they were and a great investment.
7 - personal recording devices - I use an iRig and will often record my parts for cover songs, just to get a better sense of my timing and tone. Couldn't do that so well back in the day without serious recording gear, but now for $100 and free software (GarageBand or Audacity), you can record and critique yourself. It also allows pitch shifting a song so that you don't have to go to an alternate tuning to practice. E.g. we play Superstition, Breaking the Girl and Would and I just set up the song in GarageBand and play over it after using the pitch-shift function to make up for the 1/2 step tuning.

I started the Berklee Bass Professional Certificate Program to get my skills up to snuff and improve further, so lessons/classes may be something else to think about. Hope this is of some help.

Have fun! I did not realize how much I missed playing and you will likely do fine given you stayed active in music.
Thanks aged, that's a great run down!
I know I'm gonna love getting back into it. I mean, I still play most days in one way or another but live playing is what really gets you going right?
I'm definitely going to look into ear protection. My dad, bless him, played in a dance band once a week for 20 years or so and its given him pretty knackered hearing.
I think I'm going to go with a good quality pedal tuner. The amp I have has a tuning mute on it which is handy.
It's a three piece I'm playing with so I may well use my ibanez Echo shifter delay to thicken sounds for some songs. But I hadn't thought about a compressor.
Do you use your iPad live for set lists?
Thanks again, a really great run down. I appreciate you going to the effort to write so much!
 
Thanks aged, that's a great run down!
I know I'm gonna love getting back into it. I mean, I still play most days in one way or another but live playing is what really gets you going right?
I'm definitely going to look into ear protection. My dad, bless him, played in a dance band once a week for 20 years or so and its given him pretty knackered hearing.
I think I'm going to go with a good quality pedal tuner. The amp I have has a tuning mute on it which is handy.
It's a three piece I'm playing with so I may well use my ibanez Echo shifter delay to thicken sounds for some songs. But I hadn't thought about a compressor.
Do you use your iPad live for set lists?
Thanks again, a really great run down. I appreciate you going to the effort to write so much!
My pleasure!

Compressors seem to be love or hate around here, so give it a try and see if it does anything for you. Not sure what you can get down your way, but I was between the MXR (more widely available) and the new Keeley, and chose the latter.

For the iPad, I copy the email with the set list on to a Note in the iPad and then arrange any song charts within the Kindle app. The song charts have to be combined into a pdf before, so there is a little bit of time and effort there to get those sorted the way you want (e.g. alpha, song list, etc). All you need then is to ensure it's charged so you can leave it on for the length of a set.
 
what's new?

there's nobody to play with and nobody to play for.

good luck!
Haha ok...
Well I've got the people,to play with, and they have both just come out of a three year stint playing with the U2 experience so know the circuit pretty well.
We all work full time so it's really just a fun side line thing for us all. But we are all pretty confident musicians. I'm just a bit out of the loop gigging wise, but I'm sure the other guys will carry the candle
 
I use a sennheiser 935. Prefer it greatly over any Shure mic for my voice. Make a small pedalboard w a stomp box style tuner. Korg pitchblack is good and cheap I'd get a solid compressor. Start at noon w your amp. Go from there. Less is usually more on eq. Earplugs or a cheap set of in ears is a good idea
 
Remember when the lowest note we had was an E, and that was good enough for us? Well..... These days the kids really seem to dig D or B..........

I blame the country guys and their fancy schmantzy 5 string bass guitars........
 

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