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Acme Full Range Series III 112

#361
ACB0015 said:
Well there's no telling but for the practical trying and it may be different in different stage environments. You get better dispersion with the tall stack. I used to use two one-way 15" Thiele cabs with vented ports and they were configured so that when stacked the ports were in the middle.
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I believe the old Sunn 2x15 cabs where set up that way too, It cant hurt to try.

I should have about 8 solid hours of break in time on the new cab by this evening, hopefully I'll get to open the pair up a bit!
 
#362
I have a gig on 11.13.11 that I think I may dust off the rack gear for and use a combo of the Flatwound and my Low B Series II. I'll try and post some pics of my Acme "FullBlown" rig.
Andy told me heard that setup and said it sounded amazing. It should be interesting...
 
#366
ACB0015 said:
I bet if you get the cab 4ohm nominal it would.
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Even the 4ohm version seems to need a LOT of power to open up in the low end. As has been mentioned in various threads, the limiting design of the amp has a lot to do with if a head will 'work' or not, because a 4ohm Acme will push any 300-500 watt head into 'full limiting'. If you have a head like the Markbass heads that do a pretty hard clamp when they reach their limit, you can hear that through the cab. A head like the Streamliner with that 'tube emulation' limiting works a bit better.

Not sure what the Walkabout sounds like when it reaches its limits, but the power rating is low enough to believe that a cab like the Thunderchild or the Baer ML112 would be a better bet if one were looking for a 'Super Twelve' that would work optimally with the Walkabout.

IMO... owned a Walkabout, but have not tried one with the Acme112.... just going by how other heads I am familiar with work with it.
 
#367
I just got the Walkabout head in hopes of opening up more low end on my Schroeder 1212BMF. Unfortunately, it didn't really do the trick at the gig. Sure I get excellent mid range, and lots of mid range control with the parametric on the Walkabout with the Schroeder. I have a MB F1 which sounds really good with the Schroeder, but have been missing the low end, especially as I have started to work in 5 string more and more. Plus, I double and I've never really felt it with the Schroeder, great cab that it is.

I've owned several BII's and a couple B4's and in general dig the sound, but the new full range 12 seems to be a nice fit for my gigs.

Now, I still have my Mpulse. That would probably mate well with the full-range based on the above discussion and it would still give me tame-control in the mids, and provide 600W. Downside, is the extra size/weight of the Mpulse, and I've been all about "micro" lately. It fits great though in a large size laptop bag I bought and there is plenty of room for the F1 there as well.
 
#368
FWIW, my experience has been that the Flatwound and FullRange--in real-life, gigging situations--don't require as much power as my Low B-2s did to provide the same deep, low end. Based on the specs, I expected the power requirements to be closer, but I've been pleasantly surprised. A Flatwound or Full range will never be confused for a cabinet with an sPL of 103, to be sure; but I've found more efficiency compared to the Low B series than I expected.

I think a Walkabout would sound great with a Flatwound or FullRange, and it's certainly handy to have the M-Pulse on hand if needed.
 
#369
Bluesy Soul said:
FWIW, my experience has been that the Flatwound and FullRange--in real-life, gigging situations--doesn't require as much power as my Low B-2s did to provide the same deep, low end. Based on the specs, I expected the power requirements to be closer, but I've been pleasantly surprised. A Flatwound or Full range will never be confused for a cabinet with an sPL of 103, to be sure; but I've found more efficiency compared to the Low B series than I expected.

I think a Walkabout would sound great with a Flatwound or FullRange, and it's certainly handy to have the M-Pulse on hand if needed.
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I guess I really won't know till I order one and do an A/B. Thanks and thanks also for all the above responses.
 
#370
mrpackerguy said:
I guess I really won't know till I order one and do an A/B. Thanks and thanks also for all the above responses.
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What does your Walkabout put out at 4 ohms? 300 watts?

My first Flatwound was one of Andy's prototypes that he built at 4 ohms. When I heard how good it sounded with the G-K MB200 I use with a Low B-1 at practice, I bought an MB500 (500 watts at 4 ohms) to use with the Flatwound. Sounded Great. Plenty of power (I was a little surprised).

Wanting more of a good thing, I bought a second Flatwound from Andy--an 8-ohm--and had him re-configure my first Flatwound to 8 ohms, to provide a net resistance rating of 4 ohms for the pair, of course. (Later, I also had him convert one of the Flatwounds to a FullRange.) The stack was louder and still sounded great. To my further surprise, the 500 watts (4 ohms) has also been more than enough power for the pair so far, including one outdoor gig. To my even greater surprise, either of the Flatwounds using 350 watts (8 ohms) from the MB500 was noticeably louder than either of my Low B-2s before I sold them.

KJ is right. Amp limiting characteristics will affect power adequacy experience. So will your instrument, EQ profile, style of play, material, band volume, etc. If you ever tried your Walkabout with the Low B series from Acme, I think you'll find the Flatwound or FullRange to be louder in the real world.
 
#372
These Super 12 threads have really got my interest, but as always there is no substitute for hearing them in person. Does anyone living within a hundred miles of middle Tennessee or east Tennessee have an Acme, TC, Baer, or Genz Benz that I could hear?
 
#374
PDGood said:
These Super 12 threads have really got my interest, but as always there is no substitute for hearing them in person. Does anyone living within a hundred miles of middle Tennessee or east Tennessee have an Acme, TC, Baer, or Genz Benz that I could hear?
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I live in Nashville and have a Genz SM 12.0 amp, an Uber 212 cab, and an Uber 410 cab...no super 12 type thing though. I am seriously considering a NEOX212 soon. Also Corner Music, in Nashville is a Genz dealer
 
#375
Thanks dukeorock. :) I want to downsize from an Eden 210XLT which is kinda heavy to the lighter and better sounding super 12s. I don't think I'll be tempted by any more 2 speaker cabs. I would enjoy meeting a fellow TBer though any time you want to have a get together and talk bass. Drop me a PM.
I'll run down to Corner and see what they have.
 
#376
I hear you on the size issue...My main gig is a loud rock band, but I'll get schlepping my Uber 410 to a quiet country gig tonight ($2 Tuesdays at the 5 Spot in East Nashville), and it's WAY more than I need, but it's the smallest cab I have that works for upright...the Uber 212 is awesome for a one cab electric rock gig...the only other cab I have is an 810 :) That's why I've been reading these 'super 12' threads with great interest.
 
#377
PDGood said:
Thanks dukeorock. :) I want to downsize from an Eden 210XLT which is kinda heavy to the lighter and better sounding super 12s. I don't think I'll be tempted by any more 2 speaker cabs. I would enjoy meeting a fellow TBer though any time you want to have a get together and talk bass. Drop me a PM.
I'll run down to Corner and see what they have.
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I think the Baer ML112 would be the closest model to give you a 'smaller, better sounding' 210XLT myself. The ML112 has that 'punch' and the ability to grind a bit up top. Wider and much more even than the 210XLT, but still more in the 'punchy articulate' tone universe than the super deep Acme or the studio monitor like Thunderchild.

IMO there.. all are great at what they do.
 
#378
Ken, I may have misled you there. I'm really not thrilled with the XLT so I'm not looking to duplicate that specific sound. The thing I do like about the XLT is that it gives me plenty of low lows and a sense that I can push it pretty hard and it will be up to the task. I don't care for the upper end of that cab and tonally it's in every other way inferior to the Peavey 115/horn imho. With the Peavey you can hear the smokey vintage sound of my old P or the warm growl of the Ibby. It just doesn't have the low lows and is only a 150 watt cabinet (although I have a pair). Those tonalities are missing in the XLT which tends to present its own voice.

What I hear in your youtube videos of the Acme is amazing low end and great clarity in separation of quickly played notes. That's the only area where your ears and mine seem to be different, because you describe the TC as like studio monitors and that's how I hear the Acme. (Heck, we can disagree on one thing, can't we?)
Both sound great to me in the vids but hearing them in person and then in a live mix is the real test. Plenty of time, gotta sell my Gretsch 6 string first to afford either.

I took dukeorock's suggestion and tried the Genz Benz today but just wasn't all that impressed with it. Should have taken my own amp as I could not dial the upper end to my liking and it didn't seem as comfortable with the low lows as the XLT. Seemed like it should be a second cabinet in a stack.
 
#379
Which GB did you try? I love all three that I've had (410XB2, Uber212 and Uber410) but it is surely a matter of personal taste...with the Uber 212, huge lows are the least of my worries :) I, as you seem to be, am looking for a good one hander, smaller cab for local, smaller DB gigs though, which is what keeps me glued to these threads :)
 
#380
PDGood said:
Ken, I may have misled you there. I'm really not thrilled with the XLT so I'm not looking to duplicate that specific sound. The thing I do like about the XLT is that it gives me plenty of low lows and a sense that I can push it pretty hard and it will be up to the task. I don't care for the upper end of that cab and tonally it's in every other way inferior to the Peavey 115/horn imho. With the Peavey you can hear the smokey vintage sound of my old P or the warm growl of the Ibby. It just doesn't have the low lows and is only a 150 watt cabinet (although I have a pair). Those tonalities are missing in the XLT which tends to present its own voice.

What I hear in your youtube videos of the Acme is amazing low end and great clarity in separation of quickly played notes. That's the only area where your ears and mine seem to be different, because you describe the TC as like studio monitors and that's how I hear the Acme. (Heck, we can disagree on one thing, can't we?)
Both sound great to me in the vids but hearing them in person and then in a live mix is the real test. Plenty of time, gotta sell my Gretsch 6 string first to afford either.

I took dukeorock's suggestion and tried the Genz Benz today but just wasn't all that impressed with it. Should have taken my own amp as I could not dial the upper end to my liking and it didn't seem as comfortable with the low lows as the XLT. Seemed like it should be a second cabinet in a stack.
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Makes sense. I think all of these 'super 12's's would outperform the 210XLT on almost every level.

The Acme Fullrange IS very articulate and 'transparent' (meaning the full range of the bass comes through the box, from the deepest lows to the most sizzly high end). The top end is actually quite aggressive, which makes it a bit less 'studio monitor' like than the incredibly smooth and even Thunderchild. The Baer ML112 sounds more like a REALLY good bass cab... i.e., not really coming out of the PA/Stereo universe/voicing.

All good stuff. The Acme112 won't quite keep up with the max overall volume of those other two, given that big open low end, but with enough watts, it sounds very good and can wump quite well!
 

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