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Acme Users Unite!!!

#221
My pleasure! It's been a very long time since I've had the speakers out of my Acmes (used to be a regular occurence when I had too little power and played too loud, hence clipping blowing the HF protection bulb) and I'd forgotten quite how amazingly well designed and constructed they are, at any price!

Alex
 
#222
jokerjkny said:
to be honest,

IMHO, tube power into the acme b2 sounds ok w/ my 4 stringers, but my 5 stringers' low B does tend to fart out w/ more aggressive fingerpicking.

and yet, an aguilar db750 sounded UNREAL into my acme b2! had that fat, weighty tube like sound, but was waaaaaaaay tighter and thicker sounding than my demeter by a long shot. was highly highly impressed.
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I will 2nd that, my Acme B2's kill with the DB750.
However I prefer my epi setup to my acme and lately I can't shake my berg NV610 with the DB750 but that's OMO.
 
#224
ACME's get gig-tested Tuesday.
I've been really trying to get a furnished BOSE PAS system to sound good(4 bass bins, 1 flagpole). I thought I had it figured out 2 gigs ago when the booster amp running the 2nd two bins started self-protecting when I played the E-string on my T-Bird. ***?

Played all weekend via the B-2's PLUS ran my practice CD into the POD into the B-2's. NO bass speaker could play your CD at studio quality AND AT THE SAME TIME, reproduce your bass exactly how it sounds in headphones. AMAZING!
Rig is:
Line 6 Bass POD XTL > QSC 2402 stereo > B2's (700 watts/cab roughly)

Question:
For those stacking B2's, do you put anything on top of them?
Will they stay stacked with no additional weight on top?
My rack seemed to vibrate nicely so I took it off.

Thanks!
 
#225
I stack them vertically (tall and skinny) and put my rack on top. You could use some acoustic isolation foam or similar between the two. The vertical stack seems pretty damn stable to me, despite its appearance...

I've been playing 4-string through these for 7 years and they rule. I'm now planning on getting a 5-string custom built and look forwards to hearing a 36" scale low B through them - righteous!

Alex
 
#226
alexclaber said:
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I've been playing 4-string through these for 7 years and they rule. I'm now planning on getting a 5-string custom built and look forwards to hearing a 36" scale low B through them - righteous!

Alex
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lol,

takes alex no less than seven yrs to do what i've long loved using my acmes for. and yet, alex is a shining example that yes, 4 dooders can love the acmes, too. ;)
 
#230
Here's my new/old 4x10. It's a series I cab that was retrofitted by Andy with series II guts. I'm luvin it so far. First gig with it in a couple weeks. Skyline Glaub sitting next to it.

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#235
The new B2/QSC 3102/Line 6 BPod Live setup is working out well. It gets loud, but I think I need to add a second B2 on the other side of the power amp - going 1000 watts @ 4 ohms into each cab running in PARALLEL. Should be sweet!

By the way, I've found that I get a better sound out of the Line 6/B2 by NOT using cabinet emulation, only preamp/head emulation and the effects. IMHO, cab emulation is a studio/live DI sort of thing. Any thoughts?
 
#236
velvetphil said:
The new B2/QSC 3102/Line 6 BPod Live setup is working out well. It gets loud, but I think I need to add a second B2 on the other side of the power amp - going 1000 watts @ 4 ohms into each cab running in PARALLEL. Should be sweet!
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I use a PLX 3002 into one or two Low-B2 cabs. One cab certainly goes loud and is plenty for rehearsals (and probably fine for many gigs) but adding a second cab run off the other half of the power amp adds a huge amount of volume. I recommend using the 33Hz filters - really keeps cone excursion under control and lets you get quite a bit louder if need be.

velvetphil said:
By the way, I've found that I get a better sound out of the Line 6/B2 by NOT using cabinet emulation, only preamp/head emulation and the effects. IMHO, cab emulation is a studio/live DI sort of thing. Any thoughts?
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That doesn't surprise me - even with a near flat cab like an Acme there is still colouration and then once you add in room effects and so on you're getting a real cab in room sound. Adding a simulated miked cab in room is unlikely to provide a positive effect when that sound then gets launched through a real cab and round a real room.

For recording I'd be inclined to re-amp through the Pod if I wanted to experiment with 'miked cab' sounds.

Alex
 
#237
alexclaber said:
I use a PLX 3002 into one or two Low-B2 cabs. One cab certainly goes loud and is plenty for rehearsals (and probably fine for many gigs) but adding a second cab run off the other half of the power amp adds a huge amount of volume. I recommend using the 33Hz filters - really keeps cone excursion under control and lets you get quite a bit louder if need be.



That doesn't surprise me - even with a near flat cab like an Acme there is still colouration and then once you add in room effects and so on you're getting a real cab in room sound. Adding a simulated miked cab in room is unlikely to provide a positive effect when that sound then gets launched through a real cab and round a real room.

For recording I'd be inclined to re-amp through the Pod if I wanted to experiment with 'miked cab' sounds.

Alex
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Funny you mention that. I did the exact opposite running my bass into a pod xt live and then the bose L1 with 4 modules.

I didn't find a sound I liked until I used a cab emulator and the amp head "no amp." All the heads just made the sound too bass heavy, nothing I couldn't do with the tone controls on the bongo.
 
#238
ric1312 said:
Funny you mention that. I did the exact opposite running my bass into a pod xt live and then the bose L1 with 4 modules.

I didn't find a sound I liked until I used a cab emulator and the amp head "no amp." All the heads just made the sound too bass heavy, nothing I couldn't do with the tone controls on the bongo.
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I'd be interested to know the frequency response of the Bose bass modules? I suspect there's quite a hump in the mid-bass and that they don't go that low, so the classic boom that a lot of heads have would make the mid-bass somewhat overblown. The Acmes don't seem to have any noticeable humps down the bottom, they stay pretty flat right down low with a slow roll-off -3dB @ 41Hz, then -6dB @ 31Hz, and then the response plummets below the tuning frequency, so EQing in a hump in the 60-120Hz region can bring some classic fatness.

Alex
 
#239
alexclaber said:
That doesn't surprise me - even with a near flat cab like an Acme there is still colouration and then once you add in room effects and so on you're getting a real cab in room sound. Adding a simulated miked cab in room is unlikely to provide a positive effect when that sound then gets launched through a real cab and round a real room.
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Not that I have a lot of time in on that Pod - once I heard the V-Bass I didn't go back for more time on the music store's Pod stuff. But. Realistically, cab models are simply filters, just like wood choices, pickups, EQ settings, etc are filters.

Reduced to their simplest element, cab models are merely quickie ways to achieve a certain voicing curve that might be tougher to do with EQ, and Acmes are ideal for not getting in the way of subtle or drastic EQ settings - FILTERING - revealing well their effect on the input signal.

Perhaps some of the modeling units are exaggerating elements in their models, maybe to make each model distinct from the next, or maybe with the assumption that most people aren't going to run through a cab that is actually so sensitive to more subtle EQ changes.

Actually the only downside of using Acmes for say an SVT model or some other heavily colored filtration set is that they'll run out of useful midrange output before it's full-on ear-destroyin' rawk ; }
 
#240
Hey guys-

I've been having this idea of getting two Low B-1's (4ohm) and getting them with stand receptacles. The idea would be to run both bass, (maybe sax) and keys through them for a low-med volume jazz quartet. What do you think? I was kind of thinking about running everything into my little yamaha mixer and than using two AI amps (I have three) as dedicated power for each B-1. Is this a CRAAAAAZZY idea?

W
 

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