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AERO PICKUPS - Religious Tone Experience

@IngloriousOz It is a contender for sure. While the Darkstar Jazz and Wals have their own character (truly unique at that,) the Moollon with the Aeros competes on a different level. Passive, gobs of volume (clean volume at that) unless you really want to dig in then watch out. It can growl like a chainsaw in oatmeal if you really push them with fingers or a pick. As far as an upgrade goes, you can't beat the affordability that you find in these pickups. Ridiculous how amazing they are really. FWIW, all of the instruments I have serve a purpose tonally. When I need something that can be diverse for say a jam session, the Moollon J with Aeros is the one that goes with me. So glad I got them...and I like them so much, I may put a set in my CIJ Geddy!
 
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I'm really not sure why folks who don't even have Aeros keep chiming in to talk about the cost and suggest "inexpensive" alternatives - all of their pickups cost less than most pedals people buy and are comparable or less than most of their competitors offerings. Spending $109 for a chinese made EMG GZR (Which I am replacing with an Aero type 1 P) vs the $160 for the Aero isn't really a noteworthy bargain especially considering what you're getting - a custom, hand wound pickup.

A new set of type 1 Jazz pickups runs between $180-$200 - here are some competitors prices:

Lollar J-bass - $190
Lindy Fralin - $190
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Bare Knuckle - $220 USD
Nordstrand - $171 to $242
Listen @IngloriousOz ... chime in or not, P bass pickups is a serious subject ... i never tried the Aeros but I’ve tried a lot of other brands and I can tell you that Fender pickups sound decidedly good ... First period ... secondly I may be wrong but Aero won an award (together with other brands) in 1999 .. uh some time ago ... for jazz back pickups .. never heard of anybody actually using Aero P bass pickups ... Second period ... maybe they are very good .. easily at 160USD they must be good .. however I don’t believe that they can be twice as good as my 80USD PV ‘63 ... when somebody asks how to improve the sound of a P bass equipped with a dark sounding model of Bartolini pickups then I chime in or better I JUMP in to assist and provide for alternative solutions bearing in mind that this is neither forbidden nor offensive or detrimental to anybody ... in the end the user requesting for information will have a chance to make a more informed choice ... I don’t comment on your statement concerning EMG pickups made in China which I find highly questionable but is not important to me ... I was looking at this thread to get information about the Aero jazz type 1 but, being the thread lead by fans, I found it not very helpful ... Ciao @IngloriousOz and best regards eh !
 
Yes it is a bit easier than my other basses, but it is not an acoustic instrument. I have always wanted to have that natural sound my basses have without being plugged in and I am all in on the Aero. I play all my basses unplugged often when I practice and noodle (apartment life :meh:). When I need to hear it more clearly while unplugged, I play it on my lap and rest my chin on the top of the horn.

Yep, I was doing the chin trick last night lol

It works
 
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Had such a great conversation with Larry yesterday (thanks Larry for giving me so much of your time!). He was very informative and explained the differences between each of the Precision pickups he makes. We deduced that the 4A is going to be the best fit for my bass and my style and sound I am going for. I want the natural sound my bass makes.

One of the other things we talked about was string spacing at the pickup. It just kinda makes sense to me to have the poles of the pickup exactly below each string.

The industry standard is 19mm for a 4 string bass. Measuring from the middle of the E string to the middle of the G. It turns out the string spacing on my Fender is 17mm. With my bass, I would always have that 2mm discrepancy buying any standard P pickup and I do already with my Bartolini pickup.

Granted, 2mm is not all that much and you could probably argue the vibration of the string will cover that distance and that that is normal because it happens with so many other basses out there. Just center it so the top and bottom strings are just mostly centered and you are good. My bass has worked for decades like this and I never gave it a second thought. So now for me to correct that with my bass, either I get a bridge that lines my strings up or get a pickup that fits. On my bass, getting a new bridge is not an option.

Why would you NOT want your pickups to line up exactly with the strings and be consistent?

Larry is such a nice guy that he is going to make one just for me at no extra cost!

Actually he would do that for anyone because that is just the kind of guy he is and he has built his company around that kind of service.

Amazing.
 
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I'd also like to share my experience with Aero pickups. no affiliation, never spoke with anyone from the company...

tl;dr - they are fantastic.

so, my first encounter with Aero pickups was through one of the early Lakland DJ4 basses - must have been between 2004 and 2006, a little fuzzy on the exact date, but I clearly remember where it was: a GTG of a slovenian version of Talkbass. so, the usual, a bunch of players trying out a bunch of basses. I was just done being thoroughly dissapointed by a vintage Fender J, and was about to skip this Lakland Skyline in Lake Placid Blue (1 ply white, badly cut pickguard; bad binding job on the neck; what appeared to be not really tight neck pocket routing). but the owner urged me to try it out. ok, his amp was identical to mine at the time (EBS HD350), sitting on top of Schroeder cab (close enough to my full EBS rig), so familiar turf. I play the first note and immediately turn the bass over to look for the battery compartment. after founding none, I start messing with the controls, still thinking the tone control must be active treble boost, with the battery under the control plate... nope. all passive. sounded loud and clear. great dynamic range. there are pickups that sound ok, but you feel they compress when you play - you dig, but nothing more comes out, the sound does not change in any way (looking your way, Bartolini MK1). not here. these were... amazing. so, I tried each pickup soloed, both full on, toyed with the tone control, wow. that's it. I think the owner told me they did not make the 5-string version at the time, which was a deal breaker for me. but this is a rare occurence for me to remember it so vividly - except for that terrible Fender J and this DJ4, I recall absolutely no other basses from that evening. would have probably forgotten about the Fender as well, had it not been just before the DJ4 and such a contrast.

fast forward to late 2010 or early 2011, I was at the masterclass at the academy in Rotterdam (the Netherlands) where I studied, and accompanying one of the guitar teachers was one of the top dutch electric bass players. his bass sounded like that DJ4, except it was what appeared to be a vintage (or visually distressed) Fender. I even went to check the pickups (the guy was not there, so I could not ask him about it), the pickup covers seemed to be the same age as the bass. that does not tell you anything, but yeah... I left puzzled about that, but soon learned that this bass player is a fan of Aero pickups, has them in his signature bass, made by a great dutch luthier. ok, so these pickups are apparently consistent in sound and quality.

another jump to May 2014, I just traded a Boss GT-10B + some cash for a sparkly black Lakland Skyline DJ5. mind you, I already checked online and knew that they were not equipped with Aero pickups, but some Lakland-made (designed?) pickups. well, it's a J, one can always replace the pickups. the bass is more than solid, I still own it. so, I test the bass at home with my rig, like the neck pickup (kinda P-ish), underwhelmed by both full on (gotta work the EQ to get Marcus), detest the bridge pickup soloed (no Jaco whatsoever). immediately ordered a pair of Aero pickups - after researching it online, mostly TB ;), apparently Darryl Jones liked Type 1, those were installed in the first runs of DJ4, so that's what I got. then, in a very informative TB thread (a guy did his own J pickup shootout, similar to one done in 1999), I learned that the maker of Aero pickups suggested to use 22nF capacitor for the tone control instead of 47nF. whoa. an eye-opener for sure. it does remove the clank and string noise, but that beautiful mid-range is still there. these pickups sound too nice to be hidden behind 47nF cap. went on to replace stock 250k volume pots with 500k, tone pot with no-load pot - made it even brighter. finally removed one volume pot to make space for a rotary 5-way switch, put in a linear 500k volume pot to have better control in the upper range of the volume, and that's it. everyone who tries this bass agrees it is a keeper. they all ask about the pickups as well. it still surprises me that the company is relatively unknown, but then not everyone is cut for the racing - some people are content with driving at their own speed. there are many companies that have heavy presence in social media, great looking websites, bunch of endorsers... Aero's website is still the same as the day I first heard about them. well, they also sound the same - and, to me, this is more important than stuff two sentences back.

so... not so much of a religious experience, but - I don't want to say life-defining - definitely important to me. this DJ5 is now tied with my Stingray5 as my go-to el. bass (SR5 gets 1st place though, because I've had it for 18 years now, and the onboard preamp saved me numerous times when passive wiring would have been less than ideal). and my other basses are pretty cool too IMHO.

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underwhelmed by both full on (gotta work the EQ to get Marcus), detest the bridge pickup soloed (no Jaco whatsoever).

I had no idea that aeros could be such jack of all trades.
Having chased the glassy, (sometimes in his career) hi-fi marcus tone for years, I was ready to leave my nord pickups and had my eyes set on some bladed, active EMGs.

The marcus tone would not work for much other than playing marcus-style slap, but would you say the aeros do that pretty well?
 
I had no idea that aeros could be such jack of all trades.
Having chased the glassy, (sometimes in his career) hi-fi marcus tone for years, I was ready to leave my nord pickups and had my eyes set on some bladed, active EMGs.

The marcus tone would not work for much other than playing marcus-style slap, but would you say the aeros do that pretty well?

both pickups full on, tone controle wide open - that's MM sound for me, Aeros do that IME. don't forget that what you hear in the recording is not a direct sound from the instrument. but, having been 2m away from Marcus while he played a live TV show (i.e. no PA, just amps on stage + monitors) - in essence, I heard how his signature Fender sounded from his EBS rig, yes, it's there and it's in passive. if one was to add e.g. a Sadowsky preamp to Aeros... probably overkill ;)

also, as mentioned earlier in the thread - if your bass/strings produce dark, muffled tone to begin with, Aeros won't magically remove the blanket that's over your tweeter. my DJ5 is apparently ash, with maple neck&fretboard. used to play regular EB slinkies, now EB cobalts.
 
both pickups full on, tone controle wide open - that's MM sound for me, Aeros do that IME. don't forget that what you hear in the recording is not a direct sound from the instrument. but, having been 2m away from Marcus while he played a live TV show (i.e. no PA, just amps on stage + monitors) - in essence, I heard how his signature Fender sounded from his EBS rig, yes, it's there and it's in passive. if one was to add e.g. a Sadowsky preamp to Aeros... probably overkill ;)

also, as mentioned earlier in the thread - if your bass/strings produce dark, muffled tone to begin with, Aeros won't magically remove the blanket that's over your tweeter. my DJ5 is apparently ash, with maple neck&fretboard. used to play regular EB slinkies, now EB cobalts.
A nice pair of Fender Pure Vintage '74 pickups will also do the trick coupled with a bridge pickup in the '70s position ....
 
I had no idea that aeros could be such jack of all trades.
Having chased the glassy, (sometimes in his career) hi-fi marcus tone for years, I was ready to leave my nord pickups and had my eyes set on some bladed, active EMGs.

The marcus tone would not work for much other than playing marcus-style slap, but would you say the aeros do that pretty well?
The Marcus Miller tone, at least that of the beginnings, it's a nice, round and warm preamped jazz bass tone produced by the two pickups working at full volume ... it largely contributed to define the tone of many modern basses and it clearly inspired the concept of the Sadowsky jazz bass version ... as is, thus, this a very useful and versatile jazz bass tone which doesn't find the slap technique as the only field of application whilst rather embracing fusion and, more in general, jazz-rock as its ideal playground ... Aero jazz bass type 1 pickups , according to what i read here, seem to be characterized by a more modern tone than those of the '70s pickups .. a bass equipped with them and with a decent two bands preamp should sound more like a Sadowsky rather than a preamped '70s jazz bass with period-correct pickups ... the choice is up to you ... I'd rather have a look at the cheaper vintage reproduction of what Marcus had in his '70s jazz bass, that is the Fender Pure Vintage '74 pickups (the '75 model would be more correct but it's out of production now)
 
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Aero jazz bass type 1 pickups , according to what i read here, seem to be characterized by a more modern tone than those of the '70s pickups
beg to differ - apparently they were conceived with '70s in mind, with a few tweaks to expand the frequency range.

also, about the so called '70 position - in my experience, it does not make that much of a difference (would you hear it in a mix? in the end, that's all that matters). for example, DJ5 is supposed to have '70s distance between the two pickups, but the bridge pickup is in the '60s position, i.e. neck pickup is a bit closer to neck. all this recalculated to fit the 35 inch scale. so that leaves us where exactly? :D

btw, that dutch bass player's bass had the pickups in '60s, body alder, neck maple with rosewood fingerboard. still sounded really modern if he wanted it to.

I completely agree that both pickups on full is a very useful sound, be it slapping, fingerstyle or picking... actually, J has 5 sounds: pickups soloed, both on, and two sounds where one pickup is maxed, while the other one is brought in just enough to make an audible difference. IMHO, IME the most useful are first three sounds, which can then be further tailored with the tone control.
 
beg to differ - apparently they were conceived with '70s in mind, with a few tweaks to expand the frequency range.

also, about the so called '70 position - in my experience, it does not make that much of a difference (would you hear it in a mix? in the end, that's all that matters). for example, DJ5 is supposed to have '70s distance between the two pickups, but the bridge pickup is in the '60s position, i.e. neck pickup is a bit closer to neck. all this recalculated to fit the 35 inch scale. so that leaves us where exactly? :D

btw, that dutch bass player's bass had the pickups in '60s, body alder, neck maple with rosewood fingerboard. still sounded really modern if he wanted it to.

I completely agree that both pickups on full is a very useful sound, be it slapping, fingerstyle or picking... actually, J has 5 sounds: pickups soloed, both on, and two sounds where one pickup is maxed, while the other one is brought in just enough to make an audible difference. IMHO, IME the most useful are first three sounds, which can then be further tailored with the tone control.
Well everything is arguable ... I just made notes concerning the actual setup of Marcus original jazz bass ... of all parameters we may think of the position of bridge pickup with respect to the bridge itself is likely the most important ... of course a similar if not the same tone can be achieved with slightly different pickups configurations ... it’s just a matter of finding a suitable fine-tuned EQ-ing
 
A nice pair of Fender Pure Vintage '74 pickups will also do the trick coupled with a bridge pickup in the '70s position ....

Do the trick? I replaced a weak as hell set of Fender Pure Vintage 74 pickups with a set of AERO type 1's and there was absolutely no comparison - the only thing the Fender pure vintage pickups have in common with the AERO's is that they fit in the same route and have the same number of magnets - other than that they can't hold a candle to them in the tone, range, dynamics and responsiveness. Since you're desperately trying to derail this to sell Fender pickups on this Aero thread let me provide you with a visual representation of the two:

Aeros.jpg
 
Had such a great conversation with Larry yesterday (thanks Larry for giving me so much of your time!). He was very informative and explained the differences between each of the Precision pickups he makes. We deduced that the 4A is going to be the best fit for my bass and my style and sound I am going for. I want the natural sound my bass makes.

One of the other things we talked about was string spacing at the pickup. It just kinda makes sense to me to have the poles of the pickup exactly below each string.

The industry standard is 19mm for a 4 string bass. Measuring from the middle of the E string to the middle of the G. It turns out the string spacing on my Fender is 17mm. With my bass, I would always have that 2mm discrepancy buying any standard P pickup and I do already with my Bartolini pickup.

Granted, 2mm is not all that much and you could probably argue the vibration of the string will cover that distance and that that is normal because it happens with so many other basses out there. Just center it so the top and bottom strings are just mostly centered and you are good. My bass has worked for decades like this and I never gave it a second thought. So now for me to correct that with my bass, either I get a bridge that lines my strings up or get a pickup that fits. On my bass, getting a new bridge is not an option.

Why would you NOT want your pickups to line up exactly with the strings and be consistent?

Larry is such a nice guy that he is going to make one just for me at no extra cost!

Actually he would do that for anyone because that is just the kind of guy he is and he has built his company around that kind of service.

Amazing.

Dude! So glad you had a great experience talking to and ordering from Larry - of course you have to come back when they are in your bass to report the difference. Appreciate you sharing the piece around string spacing, admittedly it was not something I spent a lot of time thinking about until speaking with Larry.

Looking forward to your thoughts and the results!
 
I'd also like to share my experience with Aero pickups. no affiliation, never spoke with anyone from the company...

tl;dr - they are fantastic.

so, my first encounter with Aero pickups was through one of the early Lakland DJ4 basses - must have been between 2004 and 2006, a little fuzzy on the exact date, but I clearly remember where it was: a GTG of a slovenian version of Talkbass. so, the usual, a bunch of players trying out a bunch of basses. I was just done being thoroughly dissapointed by a vintage Fender J, and was about to skip this Lakland Skyline in Lake Placid Blue (1 ply white, badly cut pickguard; bad binding job on the neck; what appeared to be not really tight neck pocket routing). but the owner urged me to try it out. ok, his amp was identical to mine at the time (EBS HD350), sitting on top of Schroeder cab (close enough to my full EBS rig), so familiar turf. I play the first note and immediately turn the bass over to look for the battery compartment. after founding none, I start messing with the controls, still thinking the tone control must be active treble boost, with the battery under the control plate... nope. all passive. sounded loud and clear. great dynamic range. there are pickups that sound ok, but you feel they compress when you play - you dig, but nothing more comes out, the sound does not change in any way (looking your way, Bartolini MK1). not here. these were... amazing. so, I tried each pickup soloed, both full on, toyed with the tone control, wow. that's it. I think the owner told me they did not make the 5-string version at the time, which was a deal breaker for me. but this is a rare occurence for me to remember it so vividly - except for that terrible Fender J and this DJ4, I recall absolutely no other basses from that evening. would have probably forgotten about the Fender as well, had it not been just before the DJ4 and such a contrast.

fast forward to late 2010 or early 2011, I was at the masterclass at the academy in Rotterdam (the Netherlands) where I studied, and accompanying one of the guitar teachers was one of the top dutch electric bass players. his bass sounded like that DJ4, except it was what appeared to be a vintage (or visually distressed) Fender. I even went to check the pickups (the guy was not there, so I could not ask him about it), the pickup covers seemed to be the same age as the bass. that does not tell you anything, but yeah... I left puzzled about that, but soon learned that this bass player is a fan of Aero pickups, has them in his signature bass, made by a great dutch luthier. ok, so these pickups are apparently consistent in sound and quality.

another jump to May 2014, I just traded a Boss GT-10B + some cash for a sparkly black Lakland Skyline DJ5. mind you, I already checked online and knew that they were not equipped with Aero pickups, but some Lakland-made (designed?) pickups. well, it's a J, one can always replace the pickups. the bass is more than solid, I still own it. so, I test the bass at home with my rig, like the neck pickup (kinda P-ish), underwhelmed by both full on (gotta work the EQ to get Marcus), detest the bridge pickup soloed (no Jaco whatsoever). immediately ordered a pair of Aero pickups - after researching it online, mostly TB ;), apparently Darryl Jones liked Type 1, those were installed in the first runs of DJ4, so that's what I got. then, in a very informative TB thread (a guy did his own J pickup shootout, similar to one done in 1999), I learned that the maker of Aero pickups suggested to use 22nF capacitor for the tone control instead of 47nF. whoa. an eye-opener for sure. it does remove the clank and string noise, but that beautiful mid-range is still there. these pickups sound too nice to be hidden behind 47nF cap. went on to replace stock 250k volume pots with 500k, tone pot with no-load pot - made it even brighter. finally removed one volume pot to make space for a rotary 5-way switch, put in a linear 500k volume pot to have better control in the upper range of the volume, and that's it. everyone who tries this bass agrees it is a keeper. they all ask about the pickups as well. it still surprises me that the company is relatively unknown, but then not everyone is cut for the racing - some people are content with driving at their own speed. there are many companies that have heavy presence in social media, great looking websites, bunch of endorsers... Aero's website is still the same as the day I first heard about them. well, they also sound the same - and, to me, this is more important than stuff two sentences back.

so... not so much of a religious experience, but - I don't want to say life-defining - definitely important to me. this DJ5 is now tied with my Stingray5 as my go-to el. bass (SR5 gets 1st place though, because I've had it for 18 years now, and the onboard preamp saved me numerous times when passive wiring would have been less than ideal). and my other basses are pretty cool too IMHO.

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Appreciate this killer testimonial and the added tips on the caps on the tone control. Super helpful!

Would love some clips of any of the above mentioned - especially the "keeper" bass
 
Do the trick? I replaced a weak as hell set of Fender Pure Vintage 74 pickups with a set of AERO type 1's and there was absolutely no comparison - the only thing the Fender pure vintage pickups have in common with the AERO's is that they fit in the same route and have the same number of magnets - other than that they can't hold a candle to them in the tone, range, dynamics and responsiveness. Since you're desperately trying to derail this to sell Fender pickups on this Aero thread let me provide you with a visual representation of the two:

Derail the thread to sell Fender pickups? ... did you drink today @IngloriousOz ?
I tried several pickups set on my Fender MM jazz bass .. Fender SCN, Super 55, EMG JVX, Nordstrand ‘70s etc... in the end I went back to the original Fender PV ‘74 at the neck and a new PV ‘74 at the bridge .. they sounded as the most suitable for the role and in effect the instrument’s tone was rather similar to that of the first recordings of Marcus as a session man ... I believe you are a little too susceptible @IngloriousOz ... take it easy ... should I have an opportunity to snag a good set of Aero Type 1 pickups at a reasonable price I’ll install them in the same bass to verify their superior performances, which have been claimed by you under this thread and compared to a religious experience with, maybe, a little too much emphasis ... promised
 
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