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Aguilar Problems

hehe,

nice! i've been gigging with my Carmen Ghia w/ its 2x10 cab, and its been nothin' but smiles from me. course, that doesnt mean i havent been eyeing my bass bud's SVT across the stage. :p

but again, i think it was only a matter of time before Dave realized he was waaaaaaaaaaay undercharging for this all tube specimens like the DB359, 680 and 728. course, i got in on the goods when the gettin' was good. ;)
 
jokerjkny said:
hehe,

nice! i've been gigging with my Carmen Ghia w/ its 2x10 cab, and its been nothin' but smiles from me. course, that doesnt mean i havent been eyeing my bass bud's SVT across the stage. :p

but again, i think it was only a matter of time before Dave realized he was waaaaaaaaaaay undercharging for this all tube specimens like the DB359, 680 and 728. course, i got in on the goods when the gettin' was good. ;)

How does the DB 359 sound copmared to the 680/728?
 
tombowlus said:
How does the DB 359 sound copmared to the 680/728?

oi, tom, just cant wait for my final review can you? ;)

well, in a nutshell, the 359 feels much more organic and robust, while the super stack has a more hifi, stouter feel. if we're gonna go with the ol' "cork sniffer" approach :smug:, its like a nice vintage merlot vs. a nice bourbon.

at higher volumes, the 359 seems to hit a saturation point, where the tone doesnt get louder, but almost woolier, fatter. the super stack, on the other hand, just gets louder, and louder, and louder! both of course, give you that unmistakable fat background of weighty tubeyness.

but at this point, my DB728 w/ my alembic is by far my fav. having tons of power is no substitute no matter how you slice it. and with my acmes, its like they stand up and shout, "finally!"
 
jokerjkny said:
oi, tom, just cant wait for my final review can you? ;)

well, in a nutshell, the 359 feels much more organic and robust, while the super stack has a more hifi, stouter feel. if we're gonna go with the ol' "cork sniffer" approach :smug:, its like a nice vintage merlot vs. a nice bourbon.

at higher volumes, the 359 seems to hit a saturation point, where the tone doesnt get louder, but almost woolier, fatter. the super stack, on the other hand, just gets louder, and louder, and louder! both of course, give you that unmistakable fat background of weighty tubeyness.

but at this point, my DB728 w/ my alembic is by far my fav. having tons of power is no substitute no matter how you slice it. and with my acmes, its like they stand up and shout, "finally!"

Thanks for the preview! When I bought my first high end preamp, it came down to the F-1X, the Demeter 201s, or the Eden Navigator. I found that with the F-1X and the Dem, I could dial in a killer tone, but really just one killer tone. The Eden had a more flexible tonal range, and could come close to (but not quite match) the tone of the other two. This was through a Hafler amp and an SWR Goliath, Sr. I went with the Navigator, but retained a fondness for both the F-1X and the 201s. Between the Navigator and the 659, I should be able to find a way to make that 728 purr!

Now, I just need to buy a few more Low B-2's... :D
 
Hello,
I have the pleasure of owning several aguilar tube amps and two of the 750's. They make GREAT stuff. I can say for a fact that their amps are built like a tank. Last year one of my 750's fell a full 20 feet into a pit off of the stage. Someone moved my rig and left the casters unlocked and then bumped it over the edge of the stage while moving sets. It was in a shockrack, but 20 feet........ When we picked it up plugged it in and turned it on.....everything worked great! NO damage at all!! So, I can personally vouch for their build quality and craftsmanship. It is the best out there! You should never have problems with their gear!
 
Thanks for the info Joker. :^>)

Now, a bit of Devil's Advocate here. Why would a transferable warranty matter so much to a new amp buyer? If the warranty is only good for a couple of years, are you buying it planning on getting rid of it soon and would the ability to transfer help you make the sale? Does it matter to a used amp buyer? In my experience, no.

And when you really get into many "Limited Lifetime" warranties, what's actually covered? More folks should read those, you're likely to be quite surprised.

As to why "little amps" are often covered, the answer is simple, they're much less expensive to fix and, as one well-known manufacturer is said to do, simply tosses them in the trash and sends you a new one. With the continued growth of Chinese product, IMHO, you'll begin to see more and more disposable gear. "Don't bother sending it back, just toss it and we'll replace it".

You also hit one very important point. How many of you have your original sales receipt? How many ask for it when purchasing a used amp or instrument?

Why do I ask? It's been my experience, especially with solid state stuff, that it either works out of the box and for years afterwards, or, it goes down right away--right out of the box, in fact. If it blows semi-immediately, the shop where you purchased it should hand you a new one and work out the details with the manufacturer or with the shipper.

If it's been in the field for awhile, we've seen what happens and try to protect ourselves from all kinds of stories.

As an example, I recently had a gent come into the store with a neck that was broken in two, smack in the middle. He stood before me and swore up and down that he was just playing the bass and it snapped. His wife was standing next to him, in total silence. After 15 minutes of peaceful discussions on my part and rants about companies not backing up their products and corporate rip-offs on his, the wife piped up quietly with--"He sat on the bass while it was laying across a chair. He's an idiot. What's it going to cost for a new neck"? :p

A single incident? Nope. Beer gets spilled in the heads and they come looking for warranty repair. My best--a Mackie board came back with faders that were a MESS. "I don't know what they use for faders but Mackie sucks", said the owner. Upon opening the board we found MANY tiny pieces of green leaves and seeds jammed into the board as if a mouse was building a winter home. The guy was using the board to roll--uhm--"cigarettes" on.

The Bottom Line........a warranty is often as good as the paper that it's printed on and you'd best be sure that the manufacturer that you're buying from believes in their product. MY opinion would be that if Aguilar believes enough in what they're producing to tack ten years onto the "belief in confidence" factor, they're probably going to take care of the product and not look for tiny loopholes as many do. :) Your thoughts?
 
Aguilar has bent over backwards to accomodate me and my warranty needs. They WILL work with a certified tech if purchased new. They sent my tech pics and diagrams of the repair based on our phone conversations/email. The response was immediate. Within three days I had all that was needed from aguilar. It clearly states in the warranty that you have to send it back, but they didn't find a loophole and let me get it fixed here.

Great company, but like everything else, they have to have limits or the public will take advantage of them. We sometimes forget that companies like Aguilar, Bergantino and Epifani are SMALL companies creating high quality products within THE UNITED STATES. As a result, the cost is a lot higher and the responsiveness of the company is greater.

When was the last time you called fender or eden and you talked to the owner/designer about your product? Dealers call Fender and can't get an answer..
 
R Briere,

well, many other similarly sized manufacturers have bent over backwards for me regardless if i bought their product new or used. call me spoiled, but it sorta tells me that they're willing to stand behind their product no matter who's hands its in.

as for Van, while i'm not gonna put words in his mouth, he's found vendors whom have given him the product and service he expects, new or used. again, with that said, i think my proximity to the aguilar shop does put me in a much better position than most others.

transferable warranties are rather prevalent with many other companies big or small, and IMHO, only help a company, rather than hurt it.
 
jokerjkny said:
transferable warranties are rather prevalent with many other companies big or small, and IMHO, only help a company, rather than hurt it.
While I do agree with you on that, Aguilars warranty policy isn't a secret.
In the used gear market, IMO the onus is on the buyer to know what the warranty policy is and use that when making their decision or deciding what price they're will to pay.
 
Craig Garfinkel said:
The Aguilar pricing has been covered in other threads, but you cannot compare a company like Aguilar to Mesa, Ampeg, Eden or Sunn. :hmm:

While only a TINY point---there's nobody in the Sunn mailroom except Casper the Friendly, Bass-Playing Ghost. Too bad--they could have been a real contender. :crying:

As for pricing: It often takes a little while for NEW-ish companies to discover that they're actually losing money and they're forced to raise prices to meet "real" costs of doing business or to bring on more staff, new designs, etc. While I'm not saying that this applies to Aguilar, it happens.

Again, just for the record, I've become a HUGE Aguilar fan in a very short period of time. This stuff KICKS!
 
I've had a DB750 with a GS410 since May of 2002. It has functioned wonderfully for me still sicne then. I love the sound I get from it and I can't see straying from Aguilar. Though I wouldn't mind getting my hands on some of those other great amps out there.

Also, thankfully I got my rig before the price inflation. If memory serves correct, I believe I got my DB750 for $1350 new.
 
jokerjkny said:
R Briere,

i think my proximity to the aguilar shop does put me in a much better position than most others.

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Joker,

I think that you might want to consider running tours of Aguilar since you're located close to the shop. Perhaps you could work out a deal with Dave whereby you and 15 or 20 devoted Aguilar fans could cruise the shop between the hours of, say, midnight and 5 am? We could witness the amps in various stages of production and leave cookies and milk for the masters that create them. Whaddya think? :)