Aguilar SL410X and SL115 Pairing - Feedback?

[jcidulka]

I’m considering adding a SL115 to my SL410X. I have 2.67 ohm TH700.

Anyone have any experience with the SL410X + SL115? Did you like it? Love it? Or felt it was not a good stack?

If your didn’t love it, please share what you did not like.

I know a SL210 is also an option to pair with SL410X.

My goal is to add a cab for outdoor gigs, and have an 8ohm single cab for tiny bar gigs.

Thanks in advance for your feedback.

 

[57pbass]

I used the 2x10 and a 15..with the TH700. It was a great sounding amp.

Never paired the 4x10 with the 15 though.

All the Aguilar stuff sounds great..

I did sell it all since I am not a big fan of the cloth grill covering.. I prefer the metal grill since it offers more protection… and we stay busy and are constantly moving gear in and out of our vehicles.

 

[Wasnex]

I'll try to do the math/numbers for you.

Specs:

SL410X

• Power Handling: 800 watts RMS
• Frequency Response: 44 Hz – 16 kHz
• Sensitivity: 100.3 dB 1W 1M
• Impedance: 4 ohms

SL115

• Power Handling: 400 watts RMS
• Frequency Response: 35 Hz – 4 kHz
• Sensitivity: 99 dB 1W 1M
• Impedance: 8 ohms

The 410 at 4 ohms will draw double the power of the 115 at 8 ohms. This works out pretty well as far as the power ratings. At 1200W the 410 gets 800W and the 115 gets 400W .

At 3 watts the 410 will get 2W and the 115 will get 1W. So the 410 will make 103.31dB and the 115 will make 99dB. At all valid power levels the 410 will be 4.31dB louder than the 115.

When you double drivers, the sensitivity goes up 3.01 dB (theoretical). We can also work backwards.
410 = 100.3dB 1W/1m
210 = 97.29dB 1W/1m
110 = 94.28dB 1W/1m

From this we can figure the SPL of the individuals 10s. In the example above, our 410 is getting 2W out of 3W. The 2W is divided equally by 4; so each 10" driver is getting 0.5W.

Cut the power in half and you expect the SPL to go down by 3.01dB. So if one 10 makes 94.28dB at 1W, it makes 91.27dB at 1/2W

So with 3W total
The combined output of the four 10" drivers is 103.31dB
The output of each individual 10" drivers is 91.27dB
The output of the 15" driver is 99dB
The combined output of all 5 drivers is 107.44dB
The combined sensitivity of all 5 drivers is 102.67dB 1W/1m
The calculated SPL of all 5 drivers at 1200W is 133.46dB
The calculated SPL of the 410 at 800W is 129.33dB
The calculated SPL of the 115 at 400W is 125.02dB

Either cab by itself would probably be more than loud enough for most of my needs. As a young, budding bassist I sometimes entertained the notation that bigger is better. As a veteran pro, I tended prefer to bring only the minimum amount of gear required to get the job done well. I would probably bring one cab, and chose whichever best met my tone goals.

Could both cabs sound better, yes. However there is no guarantee, it might sound worse. If possible, always a good idea to try before you buy.

Good luck!

 

[Wasnex]

I your curious...my last touring rig had a stereo 260W per channel power amp. I had at my disposal an Eden D410XLT and an Eden D210XLT. I typically used only the 210 and felt it was not worth the effort the bigger cab or both cabs.

 

[CochinoBass]

At all valid power levels the 410 will be 4.31dB louder than the 115.

In other words, you will never hear, or barely hear, the 115 over the 410 if they are paired together.

 

[S-Bigbottom]

If your 4x10 is 4 Ohms get the 2x10 in 8 Ohms and you will have even power distributed to each speaker.

This will be the same as having three 2x10's power wise.

Flexibility in the rig. Regular gig bring the 4x10, small bring the 2x10, out doors or you just want more...bring them both for a nice 6x10!

 

[Nebadon2000]

I your curious...my last touring rig had a stereo 260W per channel power amp. I had at my disposal an Eden D410XLT and an Eden D210XLT. I typically used only the 210 and felt it was not worth the effort the bigger cab or both cabs.

You have been on TB long enough that Reason, Logic, facts and rationale have no purpose and is ignored

Now saying you need 800 watts and minimum 4x10 for tiny coffe house gig makes more sense based on the main chant here "Better to have more than you need than when you play MSG with no front of house not enough

 

[jcidulka]

Thanks for the feedback team!! It’s great.

Feels like SL210 is the route to take, especially if one will not hear the SL115. Maybe one would get more midrange vs low end. And if you increase bass tone to get more out of the 115, concerned about 10” speaker vitality.

 

[Wasnex]

In other words, you will never hear, or barely hear, the 115 over the 410 if they are paired together.

Actually this is not my experience. Reread my post, and note that the 15 is significantly louder than the individual 10s.

The output of each individual 10" drivers is 91.27dB
The output of the 15" driver is 99dB

Also the max headroom is notably higher when the 15 is added.

The calculated SPL of all 5 drivers at 1200W is 133.46dB
The calculated SPL of the 410 at 800W is 129.33dB

FYI these calculated power levels occur when voltage is held constant at 56.67V RMS
8 ohms 400W
4 ohms 800W
~2.67 ohms 1200W

 

[JimChjones]

In other words, you will never hear, or barely hear, the 115 over the 410 if they are paired together.

While that's sort of true, isn't it also kinda irrelevant? Surely one isn't interested in hearing the individual cabs or even drivers separately, isn't what counts the combined output from all of them?

 

[Wasnex]

You have been on TB long enough that Reason, Logic, facts and rationale have no purpose and is ignored

Now saying you need 800 watts and minimum 4x10 for tiny coffe house gig makes more sense based on the main chant here "Better to have more than you need than when you play MSG with no front of house not enough

IME the D210XLT with 260W could totally blow out the average coffee house. Luckily we have volume knobs, so we can turn down when appropriate.

I played some rather big stages with just the D210XLT and 260W, but I had equivalent to a D610XLT with 580W that I could bring out when needed or desired. The full rig was capable of going way louder than I am willing to play...but I assume it was still not enough to do MSG right without PA support.

For the record, I am a big fan of modular rigs. But in most cases I want matching cabs, or at least cabs that are tuned the same like the Eden D210XLT and D410XLT. So I wouldn't normally recommend pairing a 115 with a 410. In most instances a companies 115 will be a closer performance match to their 210. For best results, the cabs have to be intentionally designed to work together. `If they are not intentionally designed to work well together, mixing dissimilar cabs is sort of a crap shoot.

 

[coryr1000]

I pair my SL410 4 ohm with my SL112 8 ohm along with my AG700 for outdoor or larger stage gigs and it sounds great together.

 

[Wasnex]

Thanks for the feedback team!! It’s great.

Feels like SL210 is the route to take, especially if one will not hear the SL115. Maybe one would get more midrange vs low end. And if you increase bass tone to get more out of the 115, concerned about 10” speaker vitality.

If the tuning is the same for the SL210 and SL410X, the sound will be slightly thicker/fuller overall. Otherwise, AFAIK the tonal balance across the mids and highs should not change in the distance, directly in front of the cab.

However stacking the cabs will reduce vertical dispersion a bit and cause additional lobing across the vertical axis. The number and angle of the lobes will vary by frequency and driver spacing. If you know what to listen for, the lobing is audible at more extreme angles off-axis. For example, close to the rig with the cab flat on the floor.

Adding the 210 will get the top speaker a bit closer to your ears. This will probably help you hear the mids and highs a bit more clearly close to the rig...especially if you tilt the 210 up a bit.