AI (Artificial Intelligence) Creators Club!

[Supadope]

Our singer has been experimenting with dall-e. He'll get a cool image generated, then add our band name and venue info for promos.

 

[superheavyfunk]

but I'm also old and crotchety

At least you recognize that much.

You dont have to like it. Those of us who do will continue to create interesting things and have fun discussions about it.

 

[ThinCrappyTone2]

But does the user need to understand light sources, contrast, brush or pencil thickness, blur or smudge shading, cross hatch, or - most important - actually have graphic art talent? I see the merit in AI graphics to help musicians create graphics for their projects but I don't want to hear any complaints from musicians that utilize AI art when graphic artists use AI to compose music for their multimedia projects.....I think AI is that step-too-far in any of the arts but I'm also old and crotchety

I see prompting as akin to traditional art direction, in some ways. A traditional AD might not draw the art used in the design, but might provide a concept, instruct an illustrator or photographer, choose the best shot, oversee or do the graphic assembly and layout choices. They often don’t write the copy, but will sometimes instruct a writer who will craft a professional version of their vision.

So the ai doesn't replace all of that human creativity. It still requires a good concept, a good eye, and sense of design to create the final product. At least for now. It can however, replace illustrators, photographers, and other creatives in the process. Which is probably going to have a real impact on people.

 

[ThinCrappyTone2]

Our singer has been experimenting with dall-e. He'll get a cool image generated, then add our band name and venue info for promos.

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That’s awesome!

 

[Rib 13]

At least you recognize that much.

You dont have to like it. Those of us who do will continue to create interesting things and have fun discussions about it.

Im not against it....Im against the Title lol. Using correct prompts and some basic machine language to create art and calling oneself a creator is kinda like being able to change the oil on my car and calling myself an auto mechanic ......when I tried AI graphics earlier, I didnt use prompts or basic machine language: I just typed in what I wanted to see and it generated a really cool pic. I still dont think that entitles me the Creator or Artist title but, as stated, Im old and crotchety

 

[ThinCrappyTone2]

wow this post brought the trolls out. Ignore is a great feature.

 

[superheavyfunk]

wow this post brought the trolls out. Ignore is a great feature.

It really feels like if talkbass users had their way, we’d all be relegated to dancing the waltz and listening to baroque music because anything more modern than that is anathema.

I really dont understand why ppl always feel the need to urinate on other ppls cornflakes… if you don’t like a thing, that’s fine. Just go about your day and focus on the things that you DO like. Leave the rest of us to enjoy our own conversations. It’s not like there’s a scarcity of topics to discuss on this forum.

Here’s to hoping that the trolls get bored and move onto hating on something else!

 

[JRA]

dude, you may want to chill!

have you seen any of the work that's been posted so far? check them out: actual creative types using AI tools to enhance their music presentations. what's not to like?

but if you have a personal beef with me (i read your comment on the other thread), message me --- i'm sure we can hammer out an understanding!

 

[JRA]

@Rib 13, i think you have a valid POV (your "old and crotchety" notwithstanding ) and that you bring up some important issues that are attached to AI.

but i'm pretty sure that those of us who want to be active in this club, on this thread, are musicians who just want to entertain others by sharing their stuff...and who are apparently willing to share their knowledge and experience with others who have a similar interest in this new-to-us medium...i don't see the difference between our goals and the goals you have with your own youtube channel, i.e., ultimately to entertain.

in the meantime = i think we're just having some fun trying to have even more fun with the music. that's gotta be at least as noble a venture as the "P-bass club."

 

[Barticus]

As they say, a tool, in the hands of a fool is still just a tool.

In the hands of an experienced artist, the tool helps accelerate that creative process and can be used very effectively to save a ton of time by someone who does understand the graphic elements that they would like to manipulate. This type of individual can effectively use the tool to generate what’s needed quicker than doing it all manually, thus saving time and getting results quicker.

as example taking a photo, that’s a 4:3 aspect and extending it to a 16:9 using generative AI to extend the natural landscape and fill is a pretty effective use of this type of technology, and can save time during the creative process to get to an end result quicker.

 

[JRA]

agreed, @Barticus!

 

[SubHuman]

Ringo Starr on “last” Beatles song created with help of AI: “It’s a beautiful track”

I haven’t heard the track so I can’t comment but I think this ties in with the topic. In other words it can be used to create genuine art.

 

[PWolverine]

I haven’t heard the track so I can’t comment but I think this ties in with the topic. In other words it can be used to create genuine art.

I believe this is different. People are calling it AI in this instance, but all they really did was isolate the vocals and removed the TV playing in the background from the original recording. Basically, using machine learning and 'stems' which is found in many DJ and other programs around, where you can now isolate instruments, vocals and split apart a track. So they didn't use AI in the same way many people think of when they say AI. More machine learning, as it was just splitting the elements of the track, not creating anything or modifying anything.

 

[SubHuman]

I believe this is different. People are calling it AI in this instance, but all they really did was isolate the vocals and removed the TV playing in the background from the original recording. Basically, using machine learning and 'stems' which is found in many DJ and other programs around, where you can now isolate instruments, vocals and split apart a track. So they didn't use AI in the same way many people think of when they say AI. More machine learning, as it was just splitting the elements of the track, not creating anything or modifying anything.

But it took AI’s power to do the isolation which made it possible. What they didn’t do was “fake” Lennon’s voice with AI and try to pass it off as real. That’s the problem I have with AI trying to trick people with a generated version.

 

[PWolverine]

But it took AI’s power to do the isolation which made it possible.

Not really. As this type of feature was available years before generative AI and the AI data sets we are using. So it is more machine learning, than AI as it is used, from my understanding. They are using the term AI incorrectly. Penn Jillette talked about this a while back on his podcast, as from memory he is friends with one of the engineers that worked on the track.

 

[2112]

Sub'd

 

[-Asdfgh-]

How can you call yourself a “creator” when AI is doing the creating for you?

How can Ian Anderson call himself a creator when he had David Palmer write the string arrangements on early albums? How can Peter Gabriel call himself a creator when he used traditional songs as a jumping off point for the sound track to The Last Passion of Christ? People have often used sources of inspiration for or completion of their works in past decades.

 

[-Asdfgh-]

Not really. As this type of feature was available years before generative AI and the AI data sets we are using. So it is more machine learning, than AI as it is used, from my understanding. They are using the term AI incorrectly. Penn Jillette talked about this a while back on his podcast, as from memory he is friends with one of the engineers that worked on the track.

It all looks like ML to me at this point, not AI in the sense that someone like Minsky would have understood it.

 

[-Asdfgh-]

But does the user need to understand light sources, contrast, brush or pencil thickness, blur or smudge shading, cross hatch, etc and all the criteria most professional graphics artists know and - most important - actually have graphic art talent? I see the merit in AI graphics to help musicians create graphics for their projects but I don't want to hear any complaints from musicians that utilize AI art when graphic artists use AI to compose music for their multimedia projects.....I think AI is that step-too-far in any of the arts but I'm also old and crotchety

They just need to not know much about art but know what they like. That's much the same as the heyday of 1970s album covers - few musicians were also painting the covers.

 

[andare]

Art is supposed to be personal expression. The idea of using a machine to generate your art is weird unless your art is just a product, in which case cut the middleman, don't hire a designer, artist, arranger, session player, sound engineer etc. Just tell the computer to make a hit.

The other issue is that these apps are able to do what they do because they were trained using existing art, which was never licensed to be used for this purpose. It's literally stealing people's art to replace them. Interestingly, music generation AI has been trained on royalty free music IIRC. No idea why visual art hasn't been protected.

So far I see people jumping on AI because it allows them to do what they can't. It allows them to avoid learning and honing new skills and, most importantly, to save time and money. Immediate gratification without the effort.

One day they'll come for your job. Hopefully by then your government will have figured out how to keep you from resorting to extreme measures to make a living.
In the meantime go ahead and have fun. Enjoy the collapse.
Out.