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Alright. I've made up my mind.....

4001

4001

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#1
OK, maybe I haven't yet. See as the thread progresses..........


2 Ampeg SVT-VR's with a 8X10 bottom under each head.
TWO stacks because I play Rickenbacker 4001's. In stereo.
Because a Rick in stereo is awesome.

Can anyone here tell me that I shouldn't go with this setup?
Or why I should in fact go with this.
ANY comments welcome.:help:

I just can't think of a better tone.

Unless someone can talk me out of it.

And...just for the hell of it, can anyone tell me what they know about the new Acoustic B600 head with the 8X10 cab?

Thoughts please. This will be a MAJOR investment (for me).

Now, I just need to come up with the cash.:crying:
 
#2
You shouldn't. Because it weighs a billion pounds and gets louder than anyone should ever need, and because running two VR's in stereo is probably not going to accomplish much (because they sound the same and are very colored by tubes). I think you would get more mileage out of running a guitar combo + solid state bass rig, and it'd be a bajillion times cheaper and lighter.

Even with the rick with different pickups.

If you really wanted to do two tube heads in stereo I would go with a pair of 100w-200w tube heads, and smaller cabinets.

Another option would be to use an SVT-VR for the bridge pickup and a big clean solid state amp for with effects from the neck pickup. That might be pretty neat :)


Anyway all that rambling aside I think spending 5000 dollars on a dual 8x10 rig is probably premature unless you're already rocking arenas, in which case the cash should not be an issue :P
 
#3
4001 said:
2 Ampeg SVT-VR's with a 8X10 bottom under each head.
TWO stacks because I play Rickenbacker 4001's. In stereo.
Because a Rick in stereo is awesome.

Can anyone here tell me that I shouldn't go with this setup?
Or why I should in fact go with this.
ANY comments welcome.:help:

I just can't think of a better tone.

Unless someone can talk me out of it.

And...just for the hell of it, can anyone tell me what they know about the new Acoustic B600 head with the 8X10 cab?

Thoughts please. This will be a MAJOR investment (for me).

Now, I just need to come up with the cash.:crying:
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In one of my bands I (once) used a borrowed 50W Marshall guitar amp for the bridge PU side when I did the stereo thing with my 4001. My Sunn/2x15 JBL took the neck PU.

Sounded pretty good and gave a very smooth Lemmy sound.

So you might try a good guitar amp on the bridge PU side and see what results you get before you commit to two gigantic bass amps. Marshalls work particularly well though you don't need as much overdrive as you might want to use with a guitar.

Otherwise don't see why you should be talked out of it.

LS
 
#4
rpsands said:
You shouldn't. Because it weighs a billion pounds and gets louder than anyone should ever need, and because running two VR's in stereo is probably not going to accomplish much (because they sound the same and are very colored by tubes).
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No they're not. They're colored by the EQ, which BTW can easily be set to near flat. We have to stop this business about tube amps being colored and ss amps being uncolored. It's a load of crap. Tube amps can be as uncolored as any SS amp, and SS amps can be as colored as any tube amp.

The only drawback I can see to this rig is it might be a bit of overkill :D Have you tried running the Rick-O-Sound into each channel of the VR? It's not quite the same, but it can give you a two channel blend into mono speakers. If you have to hear them separately and run them into the PA separately, you might run into soundmen who won't want to give your rig the time of day because they only have one channel available for bass.

Other than that, if you like the rig and think you will benefit by it, rock. Just started using my SVT/810 again this year and I love it. I wouldn't want to have to help you move it (I have my hands full with one) but I respect the level of commitment to the Rick-O-Sound concept ;)
 
#6
4001 said:
2 Ampeg SVT-VR's with a 8X10 bottom under each head.
TWO stacks because I play Rickenbacker 4001's. In stereo.
Because a Rick in stereo is awesome.

Can anyone here tell me that I shouldn't go with this setup?
:
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Because all of the stereo information is above 100 Hz. This is a case where tri-amping would make the most sense, one mono amp into a 2x15 to handle the lows, or a stereo amp into a pair of 2x15 if you really need that much output, and one stereo amp into a pair of 2x10s for the mids and highs. You'd get the best results using cabs specifically designed to operate this way, but within the electric bass genre there aren't any.
 
#8
IMO, i think that Bill's recommendation makes sense if you want a big Hi-Fi sounding rig (almost like playing thru a PA w/o horns), and your original idea is more like a big rock'n'roll bass system. with your original idea, each pickup would have its own SVT and i'd much rather play thru a rig like that.
 
#9
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JimmyM said:
No they're not. They're colored by the EQ, which BTW can easily be set to near flat. We have to stop this business about tube amps being colored and ss amps being uncolored. It's a load of crap. Tube amps can be as uncolored as any SS amp, and SS amps can be as colored as any tube amp.
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#10
4001 said:
2 Ampeg SVT-VR's with a 8X10 bottom under each head.
TWO stacks because I play Rickenbacker 4001's. In stereo.
Because a Rick in stereo is awesome.

Can anyone here tell me that I shouldn't go with this setup?
Or why I should in fact go with this.
ANY comments welcome.:help:

I just can't think of a better tone.

Unless someone can talk me out of it.

And...just for the hell of it, can anyone tell me what they know about the new Acoustic B600 head with the 8X10 cab?

Thoughts please. This will be a MAJOR investment (for me).

Now, I just need to come up with the cash.:crying:
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personally i'd go for a gt200 + 2X15 for the low end side and a gt200 + 4X12 for the tother and just eq the heads to the two extremes. It'd be loud and look good!
 
#11
Thanks for the replies so far.
So many, so quick.

I know that they are very heavy and VERY loud, but they have a certain sound.
There is that chance that I will completly change my mind and put together something completly different, but I want two amps for the stereo thing. I like Geddy's old sound.
Right now, for practice I am using two GK MB150 combos and they sound great using the stereo output on my Ricks. But those little amps, although pretty loud, won't be enough for live gigs. And if I'm going to spend good money on amps I want something that sounds awesome. Everyone and their brother says Ampeg, and I have tried some but NOT a stereo rig like I have described. I wonder what GC would think if I were to go in the store and have them set up this rig so I can try it out. I won't be running any effects for the most part unless it's a chorus pedal.

Man, I do think it might be a bit loud but how would I get that Ampeg sound without this rig?
It's the 6K that is the thing that hurts.
 
#14
are you really playing gigs that big that you need all that power and sound? coming from someone who has 2 ampeg cabs and has set them up with an svt4pro head its loud as hell. its entirely overkill unless your playing a hugeeee venue. my daily rig is an svtcl head and an 810e cab. more then enough to over power both guitarists and the drummer and in some situations even the pa. what about 2 410s or even a 410 and a 15? i really think your underestimating 16 10inch speakers and 2 85lb heads. sounds way overkill and a pain in the butt. yea im sure it would sound awesome but would it be so awesome lugging all that around?
 
#17
While I agree that an easier way to do it would be with a bass and guitar amp, that twin SVT rig will rock REAL hard. I see no reason to talk him out of it. Cliff Williams uses two SVT's and two 810's.
 
#18
dmrogers said:
Do you really need that much?

If you are looking at a dual-amp rig, check out this rig.
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I wish she went in depth a bit more about her amps.
Cool that she plays Ricks and I have that same Peavy combo amp. The jetglo Rick and Peavy combo were my first setup too! Strange.

Anyhoo, I had a SWR SM-400 years ago, but I didn't quite like it.

You know, as I'm flipping through the new Bass Player mag I see this new Acoustic B600H amp and the 8X10 cab. I did play through that setup at GC and it did sound awesome.
I could probably go with something like that too. (There's that 1% chance that I'd change my mind):rolleyes:

I don't know, I just want an ass kicking stereo rig.
Maybe a couple of Acoustic B200H or B600H amps and a couple of 4X12 and 1X15 cabs.

Alright. Back to the drawing board.:bawl:
 
#19
JimmyM said:
While I agree that an easier way to do it would be with a bass and guitar amp, that twin SVT rig will rock REAL hard. I see no reason to talk him out of it. Cliff Williams uses two SVT's and two 810's.
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Well, it would rock real hard, but I would be playing medium sized venues and festivals. AC/DC is playing sold out arenas.

AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!:rollno::rolleyes::bawl::hmm:
 
#20
Well, maybe you're right...two SVT's for an experimental rig may not be the way to go. It'd be close to $5000 new by the time you're done. But no way that Acoustic will do for you what the SVT rig will. It's a good intermediate 810 rig and it will have enough power for most anything you'd want to do. But accept no substitutes for the mighty SVT!
 

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