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Ambient/Post-Rock/Textural bass playing thread
- Thread starter ttasselm
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awesome! audio is always a great source of inspiration in this thread.
This is my effect chain as described above, and I'm just switching things on and off at random while playing a slow, doom drone kinda riff. I added the XXL B to my chain, but my chain is as follows:
Digitech Whammy > XXL > Dual Grey Stache (2 in one box) > Boss Super Chorus > EHX Small Stone Phaser > EHX Holy Grail.
Bass is an SX Jazz with Flats and no frets.
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I start using an ebow towards the end.
Digitech Whammy > XXL > Dual Grey Stache (2 in one box) > Boss Super Chorus > EHX Small Stone Phaser > EHX Holy Grail.
Bass is an SX Jazz with Flats and no frets.
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I start using an ebow towards the end.
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My signal chain at the moment:
Oxide Fuzz -- Meridian Octave/filter -- Mr Black Phaser -- Mr Black Chorus -- Mr Black Reverb.
I have limited funds, but really want a delay to squeeze in a delay before the reverb on the end.
I currently have the option of buying (at good prices) a Boss Ps-3 or a Zoom ms70cdr.
For huge sounding ambience - which would you put in?
Oxide Fuzz -- Meridian Octave/filter -- Mr Black Phaser -- Mr Black Chorus -- Mr Black Reverb.
I have limited funds, but really want a delay to squeeze in a delay before the reverb on the end.
I currently have the option of buying (at good prices) a Boss Ps-3 or a Zoom ms70cdr.
For huge sounding ambience - which would you put in?
The boss PS-3 is a classic (Jeff Caxide is great with one) but with a CDR you can do some crazy stuff, a lot of weird pitchshifting reverbs for example.
When I first got into pedals, I found one for $90. Had it for years and sold it, probably to get a Line6 amp or something. Huge regret in some ways now; it is a great pedal with some great digital glitching and delay sounds. In many ways it started what everyone calls "shimmer" now.
It wasn't very good for whammy effects since it stepped through the pitches and wasn't a smooth glide. But it really is one of those "they got it right" Boss pedals especially for the delay / textural usage.
As for advice for which to buy? I've never played the Zoom, but it looks to have capability out the Whazoo that would be worth it. The PS-3 is a classic tho.
As a side note, I have to get to posting some music, and pics of my board. Once I'm back in one piece and can play longer than a few minutes I will here, along with a bit of back story (for those who want to hear it) about how textural bass playing became me.
It wasn't very good for whammy effects since it stepped through the pitches and wasn't a smooth glide. But it really is one of those "they got it right" Boss pedals especially for the delay / textural usage.
As for advice for which to buy? I've never played the Zoom, but it looks to have capability out the Whazoo that would be worth it. The PS-3 is a classic tho.
As a side note, I have to get to posting some music, and pics of my board. Once I'm back in one piece and can play longer than a few minutes I will here, along with a bit of back story (for those who want to hear it) about how textural bass playing became me.
I recently picked up a Strymon Blue Sky and a VFE Bumblebee Jr. For this kind of music, the combination is wonderful. Chords in the upper register bloom and swell from the Bumblebee Jr, and then shimmer from the Blue Sky (plate-shimmer setting is my favorite). Very fun.
I'm using the Source Audio dimension Reverb and it is extremely versatile. One preset is pretty mild that I use as an always on with pretty much all my basses, especially Fretless and upright. And the other is through the Echo mode which is very ambient and it sounds great through my Pedulla 6. That's pretty much both ends of the spectrum but there so much in between that on this pedal.
Hi all!
Just a quick question. I've just picked up a volume pedal for swells.
Next...
Would you use delay or reverb to help with this?
I had reverb on my board (now sold) as it just made my tone box-ey and I could never get the mix/decay right.
If delay, analogue or digital?
All help appreciated! Sort of on the fence with something that could do both like an RV3 maybe?
Cheers
Just a quick question. I've just picked up a volume pedal for swells.
Next...
Would you use delay or reverb to help with this?
I had reverb on my board (now sold) as it just made my tone box-ey and I could never get the mix/decay right.
If delay, analogue or digital?
All help appreciated! Sort of on the fence with something that could do both like an RV3 maybe?
Cheers
Reverb with an expression pedal to control the mix is freakin' awesome for swells. You don't even need a volume pedal.
Reverb is going to play into your swells more, especially if you go with the more cavernous settings. Delay is also pretty crucial for the sound. Try to stay away from super fast slap back settings. I run both with my volume pedal and have to find a happy medium between all of them for the right mix. As far as digital vs analog, both are solid choices. Analog decays more naturally, but can turn to mud at the end. Digital can be real sterile, but sometimes that's what you need. I think trying to achieve this type of sound, subtlety is key. Let the note play and let the effect be part of the final sound, not just a manipulation of the sound.
Just my .02.
By the way, I have an RV-3 that I just took down off the classified board. Let me know if you are interested and I'll put it back.
Just my .02.
By the way, I have an RV-3 that I just took down off the classified board. Let me know if you are interested and I'll put it back.
Delay vs Reverb. Good question. Simple answer is "both!". The RV3 can do that.
My experience has demonstrated this:
Analog Delay has a colour that makes the sound present and in addition to what you play into it. It wanders off into something else. It's less likely to make you float and more likely to take you to another sonic result.
Digital delay sounds like you are repeating yourself, but this is a good thing when you can control your tone so that what you put into it is intentional and not so much allowed to drift off.
Reverb. This is dependant on the unit. Some build and grow, some add space, and some have this annoying tonal feedback that no matter what goes in, the same comes out. Not all units do this, but I can't stand the algorithms that take your sound and convert it to this end point that you can't get away from!!
Truth be told some delays do this too, but it's not a obvious.
So, I say both because the two can help each other move away for an inherent end point of sound.
If you need a place to start, delay is a good place. It takes some talent to "play" a delay pedal while playing your sound. Reverb is on or off more so, but can't go much beyond a wash or space added.
The Mantic Proverb is somewhat of a hybrid analog delay / reverb (as far as tone is concerned, never seen a schematic) that has expression control over feedback. There are some other great wild reverb / delay hybrids that would be very unique sounding until everyone has one
My experience has demonstrated this:
Analog Delay has a colour that makes the sound present and in addition to what you play into it. It wanders off into something else. It's less likely to make you float and more likely to take you to another sonic result.
Digital delay sounds like you are repeating yourself, but this is a good thing when you can control your tone so that what you put into it is intentional and not so much allowed to drift off.
Reverb. This is dependant on the unit. Some build and grow, some add space, and some have this annoying tonal feedback that no matter what goes in, the same comes out. Not all units do this, but I can't stand the algorithms that take your sound and convert it to this end point that you can't get away from!!
Truth be told some delays do this too, but it's not a obvious.
So, I say both because the two can help each other move away for an inherent end point of sound.
If you need a place to start, delay is a good place. It takes some talent to "play" a delay pedal while playing your sound. Reverb is on or off more so, but can't go much beyond a wash or space added.
The Mantic Proverb is somewhat of a hybrid analog delay / reverb (as far as tone is concerned, never seen a schematic) that has expression control over feedback. There are some other great wild reverb / delay hybrids that would be very unique sounding until everyone has one
Figured this might be a good place to share this clip of me playing with the EQD Disaster Transport SR. I wonder why more companies don't do delay/reverb combo pedals like this.
Hey guys I'm doing this shoegazy/post rock project in the 6 weeks I have off school and I use a lot of pedals in it so I might as well plug it now.
I'm using a digitech turbo flanger, Boss HM-2, Zoom CDR, Marshall echohead (with tap tempo out), Zoom 60B into a Darkglass B7K for my pedal needs, but I'd sell the mall for a Zoom B6...
And no guitars were used in the making of this song.
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I'm using a digitech turbo flanger, Boss HM-2, Zoom CDR, Marshall echohead (with tap tempo out), Zoom 60B into a Darkglass B7K for my pedal needs, but I'd sell the mall for a Zoom B6...
And no guitars were used in the making of this song.
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Thanks man that really means a lot to me
I'm using a Warwick 6 string (missing the C at the moment) & the pedals that were on were Boss HM-2 with a very slight clean underneath into a delay that was set to sound like a reverb pedal, the biggest tone factor is my Darkglass B7K I'd say it's set flat with the Grunt switch on fat the blend maxed and the drive backed off all the way. I was playing a B major chord like this
G: 8
D:
A: 9
E: 7
Which inturn gave me a massive wall of sound.
Hope that helps.
