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Ambient/Post-Rock/Textural bass playing thread

they both have their strong points. the top one is a little more mysterioso and moody. the bottom has a more vibrant, in-your-face vibe; a little more movement.

to be honest (if that’s okay), i don’t love the font treatment in either one, as i think they each fight their image a bit.

might be the hard lines with white text (though the top has gradations).

The more I look at it the more the font on the blue one fights me.

The top b&w hits me with a stylistic and period/dated vibe. I think I get a sense of what conceptually was targeted. Maybe the combo of art with the font is what’s keeping me from liking it.

It’s hard to say what fits better without hearing the music. Regardless, I’m not doing any better on my own productions here. Just saying what I see.
 
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Been too long since I looked into iPad stuff, though I’m sure I’m missing out. When I gave it a shot a couple years ago I just found everything too glitchy. Maybe once I ge a newer, nicer iPad I’ll see things differently
That's why I'm asking questions. I'm a complete iPad music thing newb.

Edit: also maybe wanna change things up and tune a bass A standard.
ADGC...
 
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Ive made a few personal ambient patches on my zoia. Here's my main one I use that has a button that ativates an ADSR tied to the VCA. Theres another button that maxes out the feedback and mix of the first delay causing it to loop. Then I can do the same with the 2nd delay.

 

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i'm in an existential frame of mind . . .

on this thread, we've discussed feeling that things are not/good enough to put out (not a great paraphrase).

i'm generally of the mind that putting stuff out is just producing documentation of process and journey—it's not the final place.

and

at one point i decided to turn the "fear of failure" into the "fear of not doing."

file this as you may . . .
 
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i'm in an existential frame of mind . . .

on this thread, we've discussed feeling that things are not/good enough to put out (not a great paraphrase).

i'm generally of the mind that putting stuff out is just producing documentation of process and journey—it's not the final place.

and

at one point i decided to turn the "fear of failure" into the "fear of not doing."

file this as you may . . .
Another spin, as you managed to get my tired, THC-addled, coffee-deprived brain working this morning...

I think with me, odd as this may sound, some of my reluctance has to do with the feeling it's not good enough for myself to put out, apart from the whole fear of acceptance thing.

The fear of not doing hasn't really entered into it... I do a lot. It's still that feeling of not being good enough, or just being one of a million ambient hacks out there.

The other thing I'd say is perhaps I don't feel that the documentation process/journey thing is something that needs to be shared (I don't mean other people shouldn't share it or I wouldn't enjoy it when they do). For me, that part's a bit like how, if I were cooking something, I wouldn't want people coming in and tasting it until it was done.

I still also wonder, with me, and this particular style of music, there's so much generic, low-effort sh*t out there that I feel I need to up my game, sometimes, before putting something out there. But that's ultimately a 'me' problem, not the fault of others.

I will say, though, that being on here with other crazy people has helped me loosen up a bit, sharing stuff on soundcloud and such, as it helps when your entire captive audience of peers is generally very open-minded about what can be considered music... I wasn't really doing that before I started hanging out here, so, thanks to you all.
 
Another spin, as you managed to get my tired, THC-addled, coffee-deprived brain working this morning...

I think with me, odd as this may sound, some of my reluctance has to do with the feeling it's not good enough for myself to put out, apart from the whole fear of acceptance thing.

The fear of not doing hasn't really entered into it... I do a lot. It's still that feeling of not being good enough, or just being one of a million ambient hacks out there.

The other thing I'd say is perhaps I don't feel that the documentation process/journey thing is something that needs to be shared (I don't mean other people shouldn't share it or I wouldn't enjoy it when they do). For me, that part's a bit like how, if I were cooking something, I wouldn't want people coming in and tasting it until it was done.

I still also wonder, with me, and this particular style of music, there's so much generic, low-effort sh*t out there that I feel I need to up my game, sometimes, before putting something out there. But that's ultimately a 'me' problem, not the fault of others.

I will say, though, that being on here with other crazy people has helped me loosen up a bit, sharing stuff on soundcloud and such, as it helps when your entire captive audience of peers is generally very open-minded about what can be considered music... I wasn't really doing that before I started hanging out here, so, thanks to you all.
I say just go for it. No regrets. At least will be able to say “I DID THIS” and not sit on my @ss.

It will never be absolutely 100% perfect. I’ve learned to live with “mistakes”.
Imagine how Tommy Flanagan felt after doing the legendary Giant Steps take. (Ouch)

Like I read somewhere, the literally had to rip the master tapes of “The Low End “ Theory” for Q-tip’s hands since he would not stop tweaking ad vitam aeternam.

My 2 cents.

Jeez I put out ear splitting noise, imagine how many low talent hacks do that.....

Euhhh....oups....(opens mouths, insert foot)

:bag:
 
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Another spin, as you managed to get my tired, THC-addled, coffee-deprived brain working this morning...

I think with me, odd as this may sound, some of my reluctance has to do with the feeling it's not good enough for myself to put out, apart from the whole fear of acceptance thing.

it's okay. mine was after a long day of dealing with mother medical issues and some tequila. ;)

the never being good enough for yourself is a real issue (which is another type of "failure," perhaps).

but, i once learned a lot from reading a john lennon interview in playboy. they went through about 10-12 tunes that the beatles did and asked him his opinion on them. some of these are arguably *classic tunes*. a lot of response was, eh, C+, B-, etc., and "we almost go what we wanted."

sonny rollins in an interview not too long ago basically said he thought he played as well as he wanted to on only a handful of gigs.

my takeaway from both is that it'll probably *never* be good enough for yourself—do it anyway. you're always gonna know that you can do better—especially based on what you learned from the project you just finished.

The fear of not doing hasn't really entered into it... I do a lot. It's still that feeling of not being good enough, or just being one of a million ambient hacks out there.

show 'em how it's done.

but seriously, imo, if you have a different way to do things, put it out there.

in my world there is a *lot* of crap (or stuff i think is . . . and i probably fit right in).

The other thing I'd say is perhaps I don't feel that the documentation process/journey thing is something that needs to be shared (I don't mean other people shouldn't share it or I wouldn't enjoy it when they do). For me, that part's a bit like how, if I were cooking something, I wouldn't want people coming in and tasting it until it was done.

I still also wonder, with me, and this particular style of music, there's so much generic, low-effort sh*t out there that I feel I need to up my game, sometimes, before putting something out there. But that's ultimately a 'me' problem, not the fault of others.

yet you go out and do performances . . . not sure what the difference is, other than one is in the air and goes away and one is "permanent" . . .

there is something odd about even performing for people—"look at me! i'm cool!" but i still do it.

when is the cooking gonna be "done" . . . after you're dead? you can undercook and you can overcook . . . you only know when you serve it and it gets eaten.

dunno.

for a long time, i thought you had to be a god to put out a recording . . . i got over that, but it still lingers.

I will say, though, that being on here with other crazy people has helped me loosen up a bit, sharing stuff on soundcloud and such, as it helps when your entire captive audience of peers is generally very open-minded about what can be considered music... I wasn't really doing that before I started hanging out here, so, thanks to you all.

the community aspect of things is strong. that's probably the worst aspect of the lockdown for me—i can't go hang with my "tribe" at gigs of like-minded folks.

it's also worth noting that recorded documents in the age of the internet might perform as long-distance performances that people in different parts of the world can listen and enjoy. and with live performance being off the table for the foreseeable future, it may be what you can do.

as you mention, we've met all these fellow travelers here.

i also think it's useful to remember situations where writers and painters would get together and talk about their work and show it, as it helped them grow.

all written with only caffeine as the mid-altering substance. ;)
 
it's okay. mine was after a long day of dealing with mother medical issues and some tequila. ;)

the never being good enough for yourself is a real issue (which is another type of "failure," perhaps).

but, i once learned a lot from reading a john lennon interview in playboy. they went through about 10-12 tunes that the beatles did and asked him his opinion on them. some of these are arguably *classic tunes*. a lot of response was, eh, C+, B-, etc., and "we almost go what we wanted."

sonny rollins in an interview not too long ago basically said he thought he played as well as he wanted to on only a handful of gigs.

my takeaway from both is that it'll probably *never* be good enough for yourself—do it anyway. you're always gonna know that you can do better—especially based on what you learned from the project you just finished.



show 'em how it's done.

but seriously, imo, if you have a different way to do things, put it out there.

in my world there is a *lot* of crap (or stuff i think is . . . and i probably fit right in).



yet you go out and do performances . . . not sure what the difference is, other than one is in the air and goes away and one is "permanent" . . .

there is something odd about even performing for people—"look at me! i'm cool!" but i still do it.

when is the cooking gonna be "done" . . . after you're dead? you can undercook and you can overcook . . . you only know when you serve it and it gets eaten.

dunno.

for a long time, i thought you had to be a god to put out a recording . . . i got over that, but it still lingers.



the community aspect of things is strong. that's probably the worst aspect of the lockdown for me—i can't go hang with my "tribe" at gigs of like-minded folks.

it's also worth noting that recorded documents in the age of the internet might perform as long-distance performances that people in different parts of the world can listen and enjoy. and with live performance being off the table for the foreseeable future, it may be what you can do.

as you mention, we've met all these fellow travelers here.

i also think it's useful to remember situations where writers and painters would get together and talk about their work and show it, as it helped them grow.

all written with only caffeine as the mid-altering substance. ;)
That's a lot of wisdom for only caffeine.

Just to comment about your comment about performance... I don't know why that feels different... perhaps, there's a given that if something feels ready to perform, it is good enough, but I don't know. I've only been a *composer* for a few years now, most of my 36 years of playing has been just bass playing in mostly conventional settings, funk and jazz for the most part. Maybe part of this is growing pains.
 
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it's okay. mine was after a long day of dealing with mother medical issues and some tequila. ;)

the never being good enough for yourself is a real issue (which is another type of "failure," perhaps).

but, i once learned a lot from reading a john lennon interview in playboy. they went through about 10-12 tunes that the beatles did and asked him his opinion on them. some of these are arguably *classic tunes*. a lot of response was, eh, C+, B-, etc., and "we almost go what we wanted."

sonny rollins in an interview not too long ago basically said he thought he played as well as he wanted to on only a handful of gigs.

my takeaway from both is that it'll probably *never* be good enough for yourself—do it anyway. you're always gonna know that you can do better—especially based on what you learned from the project you just finished.



show 'em how it's done.

but seriously, imo, if you have a different way to do things, put it out there.

in my world there is a *lot* of crap (or stuff i think is . . . and i probably fit right in).



yet you go out and do performances . . . not sure what the difference is, other than one is in the air and goes away and one is "permanent" . . .

there is something odd about even performing for people—"look at me! i'm cool!" but i still do it.

when is the cooking gonna be "done" . . . after you're dead? you can undercook and you can overcook . . . you only know when you serve it and it gets eaten.

dunno.

for a long time, i thought you had to be a god to put out a recording . . . i got over that, but it still lingers.



the community aspect of things is strong. that's probably the worst aspect of the lockdown for me—i can't go hang with my "tribe" at gigs of like-minded folks.

it's also worth noting that recorded documents in the age of the internet might perform as long-distance performances that people in different parts of the world can listen and enjoy. and with live performance being off the table for the foreseeable future, it may be what you can do.

as you mention, we've met all these fellow travelers here.

i also think it's useful to remember situations where writers and painters would get together and talk about their work and show it, as it helped them grow.

all written with only caffeine as the mid-altering substance. ;)
I have the Bill Evans book, he always considered himself as a limited talent that put in hard work.
He practiced constantly the tunes he would play live and a lot of classical pieces.

Ya, he only completely redefined how piano was played.

We all think we can do better, we just need to come to terms that “perfect” is impossible....I would also say “not human” by definition. We are all flawed in some general philosophical sense.

I had an “AHA!!” Moment when I realized my limits as a player, instead of mopping and complaining, I pushed towards something else others where not doing. Something “ME”.....(hope this makes any sense...)
 
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That's a lot of wisdom for only caffeine.

it's the wonder drug.

not sure it's wisdom, just something i've being thinking about for decades . . . allows me to fake it pretty well.

Just to comment about your comment about performance... I don't know why that feels different... perhaps, there's a given that if something feels ready to perform, it is good enough, but I don't know. I've only been a *composer* for a few years now, most of my 36 years of playing has been just bass playing in mostly conventional settings, funk and jazz for the most part. Maybe part of this is growing pains.

for sure.

maybe the performance thing feels more like "community" and the recording thing feels more like "statement."

this may seem weird, but i tend to think of my recording process as being more like a gallery of paintings or a book of short stories, rather than a film or a novel.

the move from "functional player" to composer/artist is an interesting one. since so much or our "function" is traditionally based on being subservient, i think it's sometimes difficult for us to make that shift. my solution has been to try to write music where the bass acts in unusual ways in unusual settings—acting more like an ensemble player in a chamber group.
 
I have the Bill Evans book, he always considered himself as a limited talent that put in hard work.
He practiced constantly the tunes he would play live and a lot of classical pieces.

Ya, he only completely redefined how piano was played.

We all think we can do better, we just need to come to terms that “perfect” is impossible....I would also say “not human” by definition. We are all flawed in some general philosophical sense.

totally. i kinda feel that if you think you've got it all figured out and don't see some of your flaws, you're dead artistically. there's always more to learn, imo.

I had an “AHA!!” Moment when I realized my limits as a player, instead of mopping and complaining, I pushed towards something else others where not doing. Something “ME”.....(hope this makes any sense...)

i think that also gets into saying, "well, i need that to be better" . . . but also "how can i use my idiosyncrasies to my advantage and make a personal statement out of it?"

and really, you're pretty young (compared to me). there are gonna be different phases of your musical life . . . or so i think.
 
i'm in an existential frame of mind . . .

on this thread, we've discussed feeling that things are not/good enough to put out (not a great paraphrase).

i'm generally of the mind that putting stuff out is just producing documentation of process and journey—it's not the final place.

and

at one point i decided to turn the "fear of failure" into the "fear of not doing."

file this as you may . . .
I'm absolutely right there with you! It's a documentation of process! Great timing as I'm listening to possible tracks for my next record...listening back to a piece that I'm not sure about. For me my emotional response to the piece comes first. Of that isn't 100% there then I ask myself if it still has something to say. If there story isn't in there than it doesn't make the cut....but that means I simply keep working until something better comes along...and as long as we do the work, it will.
 
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