Ambient/Post-Rock/Textural bass playing thread

[ugly_bassplayer]

interesting bit there.

i listened to that late village vanguard set.

the beginning of each set is just on fire, manic really. then the coke wears off and they relax (mostly him and marc johnson, to my ear). if you see that doc on him, he was doing a lot of blow every day. tragic really.

personally, i prefer heroin bill to coke bill. (not to be too crass)

died at 51.

I was mostly thinking about the Paris concerts for late Evans trio créativité.

 

[steubig]

I was mostly thinking about the Paris concerts for late Evans trio créativité.

i have those somewhere. need to revisit. i was shocked by the vanguard thing (unexpected).

 

[monsterthompson]

 

[Bob_Ross]

stravinksy is a good example. the rite in particular solidified him as sort of an enfant terrible, then he sort of minded some of that territory, goes to his neoclassical period (my fave in a lot of ways) and then ends up doing a lot of different things (experimenting with serialism, etc.) that were really well done, but not really as exciting and groundbreaking as the rite felt. (all imo, of course)

Ironically and coincidentally, I was going to cite Stravinsky as one of the few musicians who was able to remain fresh, inspired and inspiring, as his career matured. His serial writing wasn't just him going "huh, that Schoenberg fellow hit upon a cool idea, Imma try it" he completely understood the potential of the method and then took it in a new direction that not only demonstrated his comprehensive grasp of the method and its potential, but also allowed it to not subsume his musical personality. Just the very notion of rotating ordered interval sets is brilliant, something I would expect from a more austere composer like Milton Babbitt than the impish and mercurial Stravinsky... but works like "Agon" are the proof in the pudding.

Yeah, I'll concede that "The Owl And The Pussy Cat" isn't particularly groundbreaking. But then again, I think it's difficult for most musicians and historians to divorce the groundbreakingness of "Le Sacre" musically from its groundbreakingness theatrically. iow, there's so much baggage surrounding how anyone born in the latter half of the 20th Century learns about that production that it's hard to imagine what its impact may have been if it had only [sic] been a concert piece.

Derp, I'm blathering now. Yeah, late-period Joe Zawinul is lame.

 

[steubig]

I was mostly thinking about the Paris concerts for late Evans trio créativité.

it's an interesting question for me cause i see that he still had great depth, but he wasn't really at the cutting edge anymore. (whether or not that matters, is a whole other discussion.)

Ironically and coincidentally, I was going to cite Stravinsky as one of the few musicians who was able to remain fresh, inspired and inspiring, as his career matured. His serial writing wasn't just him going "huh, that Schoenberg fellow hit upon a cool idea, Imma try it" he completely understood the potential of the method and then took it in a new direction that not only demonstrated his comprehensive grasp of the method and its potential, but also allowed it to not subsume his musical personality. Just the very notion of rotating ordered interval sets is brilliant, something I would expect from a more austere composer like Milton Babbitt than the impish and mercurial Stravinsky... but works like "Agon" are the proof in the pudding.

for me (underline), a lot of those later pieces lack the juice that (a lot of) the earlier stuff did. i wonder if you have more appreciation for them because you actually studied the scores (i didn't).

But then again, I think it's difficult for most musicians and historians to divorce the groundbreakingness of "Le Sacre" musically from its groundbreakingness theatrically. iow, there's so much baggage surrounding how anyone born in the latter half of the 20th Century learns about that production that it's hard to imagine what its impact may have been if it had only [sic] been a concert piece.

for sure. apparently the "riot" was based on the dancing, not the music. there was a reconstruction of le sacre on pbs years ago. the dancers were basically hopping up and down during the dance of the adolescents. you could see where a crowd used to more usual balletic presentation would get pissed off. (when on considers that schoenberg's quarter 2 was in 1908, five pieces for orchestra was in 1909 and pierrot lunaire in 1912 . . . it's reasonable to expect it might've been the dancing)

 

[ugly_bassplayer]

26412599[/URL], member: 17475"]it's an interesting question for me cause i see that he still had great depth, but he wasn't really at the cutting edge anymore. (whether or not that matters, is a whole other discussion.)



for me (underline), a lot of those later pieces lack the juice that (a lot of) the earlier stuff did. i wonder if you have more appreciation for them because you actually studied the scores (i didn't).



for sure. apparently the "riot" was based on the dancing, not the music. there was a reconstruction of le sacre on pbs years ago. the dancers were basically hopping up and down during the dance of the adolescents. you could see where a crowd used to more usual balletic presentation would get pissed off. (when on considers that schoenberg's quarter 2 was in 1908, five pieces for orchestra was in 1909 and pierrot lunaire in 1912 . . . it's reasonable to expect it might've been the dancing)

Cutting edge, probably not.
On a creative peak at the end of his life, I believe so.

my close drummer friend was a ballet dancer and he schooled me on the entire Nijinsky choreography.


Riot was definitely caused by the dancers in the dance world point of view.
Yes my friend is extremely qualified on the subject. His mom has and high level dance school and his brother danced all over the world for the “grand ballet canadien”. He danced “high level” till he was about 18.

 

[monsterthompson]

Went down the rabbit hole of WMD modules tonight. Those guys seem to build in some fun features for live performance. I thought I was set on a XAOC phaser and dual peak filter but I’m bumping up against rack size limits and the WMD offerings could help make some space.

 

[steubig]

Went down the rabbit hole of WMD modules tonight. Those guys seem to build in some fun features for live performance. I thought I was set on a XAOC phaser and dual peak filter but I’m bumping up against rack size limits and the WMD offerings could help make some space.

fwiw, i like their c4rbn filter. it’s 4hp and can get pretty gnarly

 

[monsterthompson]

fwiw, i like their c4rbn filter. it’s 4hp and can get pretty gnarly

That and the VCA with an ADSR looks pretty handy.

 

[Starthief]

Some WMD modules don't leave much clearance around knobs and can be awkward to tweak. I like their MSCL compressor though. Synchrodyne (and its expander) are completely bonkers, kinda wish I'd kept them.

Always wantes to try PTG and PDO but couldn't find them at a reasonable price whenever I looked.

I liked their Geiger Counter pedal but I'm not sure the CV control on the module version would be much of an upgrade (unless you just eanted everything jn the rack). The main thing with that is controlling the input gain, not so much changing the wavetable or other settings on the fly.

 

[steubig]

i like their eurorack mixer and mutes expander. been very useful for my purposes. not sure what i think of the 4ten.

 

[monsterthompson]

Not sure what to make of the Metron, but it looks like fun. Not sure if it's worth the real estate.

 

[steubig]

Not sure what to make of the Metron, but it looks like fun. Not sure if it's worth the real estate.

i was looking at it, but got the five12 vector, which was better for me due to microtonal scales and more options for screwing with the time. seems less “griddy” than the metron.

 

[dukeorock]

My Oxi One sequencer is supposed to arrive within a week or two. It ports over to my rack easily enough, so I won’t be tying up rack space

 

[monsterthompson]

This sequencer/expansion looks like a blast.

 

[dukeorock]

This sequencer/expansion looks like a blast.

Really does! Trying to leave some rack space open for two things I’m fairly certain I’m getting. Instruo Arbhar and Norand Morphos

 

[steubig]

great demo of a really interesting sequencer (if you told me two years ago that i’d be saying that, i’d have said you were tripping).

seems like the expander is a complete must-have with it.

 

[lucas303]

This is very cool stuff:



Check out the cello(?) tone on Rabenaas in particular.

 

[Starthief]

Ooh, new An Moku!

I see I also missed the collab with Blakmoth *last summer*, which is weird because I follow Blakmoth on IG.


This thing looks like great fun and like it'd probably fit right in with my stuff:



Probably going to be pricey, unavailable for a while, and with a long waiting list...

 

[ugly_bassplayer]

Ooh, new An Moku!

I see I also missed the collab with Blakmoth *last summer*, which is weird because I follow Blakmoth on IG.


This thing looks like great fun and like it'd probably fit right in with my stuff:



Probably going to be pricey, unavailable for a while, and with a long waiting list...