America's greatest enemy?

[odin70]

Hilter was the most persuasive enemy of freedom I have learned much about. In the early years he was able to nearly completely brainwash an otherwise reasonably benevolent populace. I hope that when the next social/financial failure occurs that there is no one with his power of persuasion coupled with his intense evil waiting to rise to power.

Many good reasons to not like him, but he was hardly Americas worst enemy imo.

 

[bjabass]

Hitler had his hands full trying to subdue too many occupied countries. The brawl with the Soviets might have been won had he not extended himself so much. If he had eventually taken the Soviets, then he could possibly have given the US a run for it's money, but as it was...? I see Hitler more as an enemy of humanity than of the US itself. As I stated earlier, we've never really had an "arch enemy" who brought us to our knees on their own. I would throw Bin Ladin out there as the closest thing to an arch enemy that we've ever had. Not so much for his ability to do us harm and change our lives and culture, but rather for his ability to convince us to do it ourselves..

I thought about that but Bin Laden's beef was with Israel, and us collaterally since we support them. Hiding in a secret compound in Pakistan is a long way from ruling most of a continent from Berlin.

If Hitler had been able to cow all the countries he conquered and make soldiers of them willing to fight for him, he would have gotten to us eventually.

 

[odin70]

I thought about that but Bin Laden's beef was with Israel, and us collaterally since we support them. Hiding in a secret compound in Pakistan is a long way from ruling most of a continent from Berlin.

If Hitler had been able to cow all the countries he conquered and make soldiers of them willing to fight for him, he would have gotten to us eventually.

Why would he? He was very open about his plans..and that was to take Russia. He didnt even want to fight England.

This is from Mein Kampf 1 and 2

"HITLERS OPINON OF THE United States:
In Mein Kampf, Hitler rarely mentioned the United States and when he did, it was in a tone of deep contempt. In Mein Kampf, Hitler portrayed the United States as a "racially degenerate" society on its way to self-destruction. By contrast, in Zweites Buch, Hitler portrayed the U.S. as a dynamic, "racially successful" society that practiced eugenics and segregation and followed what Hitler considered to be a wise policy of excluding "racially degenerate" immigration from eastern and southern Europe. What promoted the change in Hitler's views between 1924 and 1928 is not known. By 1928, Hitler seems to have heard about the U.S.' massive industrial wealth, the Immigration Act of 1924, segregation, and the fact that several American states had eugenics boards to sterilize people who were considered mentally defective, and was favorably impressed. Hitler proclaimed his admiration for these sorts of policies and expressed his wish that Germany would do similar things, albeit on a much greater scale.

 

[Relic]

I thought about that but Bin Laden's beef was with Israel, and us collaterally since we support them. Hiding in a secret compound in Pakistan is a long way from ruling most of a continent from Berlin.

If Hitler had been able to cow all the countries he conquered and make soldiers of them willing to fight for him, he would have gotten to us eventually.

I agree. his biggest mistake was the whole "aryan" mindset. The Poles and the Czechs, DETESTED the Soviets. Had Hitler harnessed those two huge armies..?

Again - bin Ladin's attack and threats of attack turned us against ourselves IMO. he didn't have to leave his secret compound and didn't have to lift a finger once the wheels were set in motion. We took over from there...

 

[Plaz]

Khruschev. He was the one person in history who came closest to annihilating a large portion of our population, during the Cuban missile crisis, after furiously exclaiming earlier to us (though perhaps metaphorically), "We will bury you!"

 

[Bob Lee (QSC)]

Weird to see my name in the list.

 

[bjabass]

Why would he? He was very open about his plans..and that was to take Russia. He didnt even want to fight England.

This is from Mein Kampf 1 and 2

"HITLERS OPINON OF THE United States:
In Mein Kampf, Hitler rarely mentioned the United States and when he did, it was in a tone of deep contempt. In Mein Kampf, Hitler portrayed the United States as a "racially degenerate" society on its way to self-destruction. By contrast, in Zweites Buch, Hitler portrayed the U.S. as a dynamic, "racially successful" society that practiced eugenics and segregation and followed what Hitler considered to be a wise policy of excluding "racially degenerate" immigration from eastern and southern Europe. What promoted the change in Hitler's views between 1924 and 1928 is not known. By 1928, Hitler seems to have heard about the U.S.' massive industrial wealth, the Immigration Act of 1924, segregation, and the fact that several American states had eugenics boards to sterilize people who were considered mentally defective, and was favorably impressed. Hitler proclaimed his admiration for these sorts of policies and expressed his wish that Germany would do similar things, albeit on a much greater scale.

What his writings contain and where he ended up don't relate too well. He was apparently power mad in the last several months, and had he been able, would have attacked any entity that thwarted his goal, which seemed to be an Aryan world dictatorship led by him.

 

[MadMan118]

Military: The British in 1775, they were a LOT stronger than we were then. Second to them the Japanese in WWII. Despite out massive war time economy they were difficult to fight and cost the US many casualties.

But to be really honest our own legislature is the greatest threat to the American dream.

 

[bjabass]

Khruschev. He was the one person in history who came closest to annihilating a large portion of our population, during the Cuban missile crisis, after furiously exclaiming earlier to us (though perhaps metaphorically), "We will bury you!"

Yep, this too. Had he actually begun that war we might have been speaking Russian right now or none of us might have survived...but he didn't so I still say Hitler. Hirohito would be my 2nd choice just because of what he did accomplish.

 

[ugly_bassplayer]

now, itself.

 

[Relic]

Khruschev. He was the one person in history who came closest to annihilating a large portion of our population, during the Cuban missile crisis, after furiously exclaiming earlier to us (though perhaps metaphorically), "We will bury you!"

He came closest - but it didn't happen... therefore I don't see him as a big contender. He was really just a small chapter in the cold war..

 

[bassinplace]

I agree. his biggest mistake was the whole "aryan" mindset. The Poles and the Czechs, DETESTED the Soviets. Had Hitler harnessed those two huge armies..?

Again - bin Ladin's attack and threats of attack turned us against ourselves IMO. he didn't have to leave his secret compound and didn't have to lift a finger once the wheels were set in motion. We took over from there...

I won't go into what I think the source of it was, but I certainly agree that it was a case of subliminal seduction.

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[hdracer]

Hilter was the most persuasive enemy of freedom I have learned much about. In the early years he was able to nearly completely brainwash an otherwise reasonably benevolent populace. I hope that when the next social/financial failure occurs that there is no one with his power of persuasion coupled with his intense evil waiting to rise to power.

Hitler was never a threat to the US. Khrushchev wanted to annihilate us.

Remember "We will bury you"
and the little thing called The Cuban Missile Crises, We were hours away from a thermal nuclear war.

 

[BurningSkies]

Its a toss up...either giant meteor impact, Dinosaurs resurrected from frozen DNA, or recently evolved large apes.


...or maybe Mothra.

 

[Solarmist]

I voted "other"; I'll keep quiet so I don't get your thread shut down.

 

[bjabass]

Hitler was never a threat to the US. Khrushchev wanted to annihilate us.

Remember "We will bury you"
and the little thing called The Cuban Missile Crises, We were hours away from a thermal nuclear war.

See my previous response regarding Kruschev. But in actuality all he really did was beat on the table with his shoe....

 

[BurningSkies]

I voted "other"; I'll keep quiet so I don't get your thread shut down.

So you're thinking its the giant apes too?

 

[odin70]

What his writings contain and where he ended up don't relate too well. He was apparently power mad in the last several months, and had he been able, would have attacked any entity that thwarted his goal, which seemed to be an Aryan world dictatorship led by him.

Anyways England (even more gready than most dictators) was far more eager too involve US in the war than Germany was. I have read in several books the the Germans where very cautious not to provoke US ships among other things. The assumption that he would eventually take the whole world does not hold water imo.
Ok enough

 

[Relic]

Hitler was never a threat to the US. Khrushchev wanted to annihilate us.

Remember "We will bury you"
and the little thing called The Cuban Missile Crises, We were hours away from a thermal nuclear war.

I still say Khrushchev was nobody in the grand scheme of things. That threat was real, but it never happened and life moved on. He's little beans.
had it happened? Then heck yeah

 

[nick g.]

Hitler didn't have the power Kruschev did. If Hitler had any amount of nuclear weapons at his disposal, it's a safe bet he would've used them without hesitation.