amp & cab, new guy, new to bass

[Nebadon2000]

I won't recommend what I have; Markbass [shhh don't tell anyone]

For music you listed I would take a look at Mesa WD-800 or D-800+ and your choice of Subway Cabinet 2x12, 4x10 and 2x15 this will run $2500.00 but if you want to do this once... Cabs weight in the 50-60lb range Amp 6-7lbs
You will get great build quality, effective features and first rate customer service if you need it. The sound is always subjective but I think you won't be disappointed.

Mixing manufactures can be fine but you hedge your bet if you get Amp and Cab from same [quality] Manufacture for compatibility.

Also for music you listed there always is 'Ampeg' Sound; SVT 7 Pro series and PN-410HLF Neo Cabinet [64LBS]

For value there is New G&K Legacy and Fusion combo's 4x10 or 2x12 and can add another cab if needed at $1449 to 1699. 40-50lbs

 

[Rip Van Dan]

Sorry a million times over, I know this topic is a constant by new members on gear pages and I know it's redundant. BUT I know the typical responses, genre, budget, home or band, jock itch, ring worm? So I'll try to be as specific as possible.

Genres: Hardcore, hard rock, (Helmet, Tool, Sabbath)
Budget: head, $1,000 and under, cab(s) $1,000 and under
Environments: Home studio to playing with drummer (heavy hitter, loud kit)
Current gear: G&L L-2000, pile of pedals that I have for my guitars.
Play style: limited finger use, chopped a finger off years ago and recently severed a nerve in another. Not slapping, mostly all picking.
I would prefer a head and cabinet over a combo. Better/more options.

I've seen the small amps from Darkglass and dig the size. All of my guitar amps are tube combos and I do love tube breakup, but pedals can be fine. I'm not touring or a pro, in fact I suck, but I love good tone to mask my sucking.

Weight isn't too much of a factor, but I'm getting old and can't afford my back to blow out. So, light head, the cab weight is gonna be what it is. My Laney is a 212 combo, it's a pita to move, but not something I do much of.

I only want to do it right the first time and not end up with a turd.
I live very rural and there are no music shops around, so trying equipment is a weekend adventure. I buy pedals based on videos and reviews, sometimes it doesn't work out, but pedals are affected by the amp and player.

I know what guitar amps sound like, I've played so many and know what to expect. Now bass amps... I'm screwed, but I'm confident that you good folk know what you're talking about. Can't ignore experience.

So, you're in my shoes and have a good idea of the tone range, how much cash I can print, style of play, volume, the bass I'll be using, you're better than me. Strings are what they are, I play NYXL's or GHS Boomers on my guitars. Boomers will be on the bass.

I hope I gave enough info and my sarcasm and poor jokes didn't make this unnecessarily painful for ya'll.

Oh, here's a bonus that should help.
I'm not trying to sound like a particular player, only fit in a certain area.

So thank you and again, forgive me for doing this.
-John

Hi John,
I'm going to immediately point you towards DNA products. DNA is David Nordschow Amplification. David founded Eden in 1976 and designed all their amps and cabs until he sold Eden in 2008 and left in 2009. In 2010 he brought new products from his newly founded company, DNA.

First off, I'll point you towards his amps. He has only a couple of them. Both are Class D amps and are not only light, 4.8-lbs for the 800 watt rms and 7-lbs for the 1350-watt rms one, but sound spectacular. Really clear and full with lots of bells and whistles including an onboard compressor with adjustable threshold and ratio. He came out with the DNA-1350 first and the DNA-800 about 3-years later. The DNA-800 has most of the features of its big brother but only has the normal effects loop instead of both the regular and the side-chain loop the 1350 has. Street price on the DNA-800 is $799. Street price on the DNA-1350 is ~$1499.

I was expecting to buy a DNA-800 myself, but agreement with the wife is I only use gig money to buy gear and I haven't played a gig since early January. I'm using a much heavier Eden amp that is really sweet but weighs ~36-lbs in its rack. Once we get past this pandemic, that's the first thing on my list.

For cabs, I personally bought the DNS-410 in 2015. That was going to be my be-all, end-all of cabinet purchases. It will handle up to 1400-watts rms both mechanically and thermally and will produce a max SPL of 137db. You wouldn't want to be anywhere near it at that level. I found that my 800 Eden amp drove it easily to gig levels both indoors and at outdoor festivals. I tried to turn the master up once to 10:30 on my 800-watt amp at an outdoor festival and was told to turn it down. So, no need to ever bring an 810 out because my 410 is already too loud. When playing outside in wide open spaces I can run it at 10 o'clock. Indoors, 9:30 is the max or I will start pushing people out of the room.

Problem I ran into with that 410 was that it scared the owners of small clubs when I rolled it in. So last year I went back and bought the DNS-210 figuring I'd use that for small and medium venues. The DNS-210 will handle 700-watts rms (both mechanically and thermally) and has a max SPL of 134db. It's a surprisingly loud cab and has the same clarity, articulation, fullness of sound, and the same tight and even lower bottom end than my DNS410 does. I now use it for all my indoor gigs.

So I can give you two recommendations. If you are going to be playing indoors only, that DNS-210 will handle every small, medium, and large indoor room (outside of stadiums). If you're going to play outdoors, especially outdoor festivals, I'd suggest the DNS-410. The street price on the DNS-210 is ~$849. The street price on the DNS-410 is $1049. With your budget of $2000, you can get either set up with the DNA-800 and come in under budget. If you went for his big brother, you'd be about $350 over budget.

Below is a video from Bass Musician Magazine.com that I've cued up to the part where they are demoing the features of the DNA-800 amp. They are running it through the DNS-210 so that's a good idea of the sound of the two of them together. If you take a look at the DNA Artists on DNA's web site (yes I'm on there), you'll see a surprising number of them that use the DNS-210. I thought that was weird until I bought mine. Now it makes sense.

 

[logdrum]

Sorry a million times over, I know this topic is a constant by new members on gear pages and I know it's redundant. BUT I know the typical responses, genre, budget, home or band, jock itch, ring worm? So I'll try to be as specific as possible.

Genres: Hardcore, hard rock, (Helmet, Tool, Sabbath)
Budget: head, $1,000 and under, cab(s) $1,000 and under
Environments: Home studio to playing with drummer (heavy hitter, loud kit)
Current gear: G&L L-2000, pile of pedals that I have for my guitars.
Play style: limited finger use, chopped a finger off years ago and recently severed a nerve in another. Not slapping, mostly all picking.
I would prefer a head and cabinet over a combo. Better/more options.

I've seen the small amps from Darkglass and dig the size. All of my guitar amps are tube combos and I do love tube breakup, but pedals can be fine. I'm not touring or a pro, in fact I suck, but I love good tone to mask my sucking.

Weight isn't too much of a factor, but I'm getting old and can't afford my back to blow out. So, light head, the cab weight is gonna be what it is. My Laney is a 212 combo, it's a pita to move, but not something I do much of.

I only want to do it right the first time and not end up with a turd.
I live very rural and there are no music shops around, so trying equipment is a weekend adventure. I buy pedals based on videos and reviews, sometimes it doesn't work out, but pedals are affected by the amp and player.

I know what guitar amps sound like, I've played so many and know what to expect. Now bass amps... I'm screwed, but I'm confident that you good folk know what you're talking about. Can't ignore experience.

So, you're in my shoes and have a good idea of the tone range, how much cash I can print, style of play, volume, the bass I'll be using, you're better than me. Strings are what they are, I play NYXL's or GHS Boomers on my guitars. Boomers will be on the bass.

I hope I gave enough info and my sarcasm and poor jokes didn't make this unnecessarily painful for ya'll.

Oh, here's a bonus that should help.
I'm not trying to sound like a particular player, only fit in a certain area.

So thank you and again, forgive me for doing this.
-John

That is a good first post. In my world it's like a well written product requirements document. The rational sensible types will gladly point you to the right direction. Good luck

 

[JohnnyDepth]

I was looking through every amp suggested and a few others and when I seen and read the Mesa TT 800 description it mentioned the 400+ , which was my very first choice, but the heads were old and heavy.

Price wise, they're up there compared to other options. The Portaflex sounds really nice in the demos I've watched, yes wearing headphones. The GK & Darkglass sound killer. Honestly I don't think I can go wrong with any of them.

Massive difference in tone with the higher watt units. It seems head room makes a bigger difference in bass amps than guitar.

Not gonna lie, the Mesa TT800 has my attention because of the tube pre amp. 7lbs is sweet too.
I don't have a ton of cash, when I want something I work a lot of overtime. As I type this that TT800 is really poking me with a stick.

I did consider 112 cab over a 115, but the 410 is an absolute. I agree with sticking with brands simply because I'd end up blowing something apart.

No, not gigging, just jamming, playing, recording, learning...
For me, the recording thing always begins with building off of a bass riff, seems more logical to me and is really open to what you do on the guitar.

But yeah... The TT800 is on preorder, so that gives me more time to read and imagine myself playing NIB at full volume. Geezer is amazing.

Thanks again for the suggestions, I do rely on people who know what's what. No substitute for experience.

 

[Matty Koff]

MESA's warranty is transferable if you buy used.

I was looking through every amp suggested and a few others and when I seen and read the Mesa TT 800 description it mentioned the 400+ , which was my very first choice, but the heads were old and heavy.

Price wise, they're up there compared to other options. The Portaflex sounds really nice in the demos I've watched, yes wearing headphones. The GK & Darkglass sound killer. Honestly I don't think I can go wrong with any of them.

Massive difference in tone with the higher watt units. It seems head room makes a bigger difference in bass amps than guitar.

Not gonna lie, the Mesa TT800 has my attention because of the tube pre amp. 7lbs is sweet too.
I don't have a ton of cash, when I want something I work a lot of overtime. As I type this that TT800 is really poking me with a stick.

I did consider 112 cab over a 115, but the 410 is an absolute. I agree with sticking with brands simply because I'd end up blowing something apart.

No, not gigging, just jamming, playing, recording, learning...
For me, the recording thing always begins with building off of a bass riff, seems more logical to me and is really open to what you do on the guitar.

But yeah... The TT800 is on preorder, so that gives me more time to read and imagine myself playing NIB at full volume. Geezer is amazing.

Thanks again for the suggestions, I do rely on people who know what's what. No substitute for experience.

If the TT-800 had been announced/out when my previous amp started going wonky, I'd have probably went for it rather than the WD-800. I'm confident you'll be happy with it. WD-800 came with a nice little gigbag for transport too. For the cost you're getting a 5 year warranty, and any servicing it might ever need if at all will be done in the US. And for a bit more reassurance, the designer of the Subway series is a regular on TB.

He's often helping folks with their gear on here, even brands he's not affiliated with.

This video right here, was the most convincing thing for me personally.

 

[dbase]

If you want to kick some ass, behold

OR, if you want some money left over for beer may I suggest

 

[JohnnyDepth]

Hi John,
I'm going to immediately point you towards DNA products. DNA is David Nordschow Amplification. David founded Eden in 1976 and designed all their amps and cabs until he sold Eden in 2008 and left in 2009. In 2010 he brought new products from his newly founded company, DNA.

First off, I'll point you towards his amps. He has only a couple of them. Both are Class D amps and are not only light, 4.8-lbs for the 800 watt rms and 7-lbs for the 1350-watt rms one, but sound spectacular. Really clear and full with lots of bells and whistles including an onboard compressor with adjustable threshold and ratio. He came out with the DNA-1350 first and the DNA-800 about 3-years later. The DNA-800 has most of the features of its big brother but only has the normal effects loop instead of both the regular and the side-chain loop the 1350 has. Street price on the DNA-800 is $799. Street price on the DNA-1350 is ~$1499.

I was expecting to buy a DNA-800 myself, but agreement with the wife is I only use gig money to buy gear and I haven't played a gig since early January. I'm using a much heavier Eden amp that is really sweet but weighs ~36-lbs in its rack. Once we get past this pandemic, that's the first thing on my list.

For cabs, I personally bought the DNS-410 in 2015. That was going to be my be-all, end-all of cabinet purchases. It will handle up to 1400-watts rms both mechanically and thermally and will produce a max SPL of 137db. You wouldn't want to be anywhere near it at that level. I found that my 800 Eden amp drove it easily to gig levels both indoors and at outdoor festivals. I tried to turn the master up once to 10:30 on my 800-watt amp at an outdoor festival and was told to turn it down. So, no need to ever bring an 810 out because my 410 is already too loud. When playing outside in wide open spaces I can run it at 10 o'clock. Indoors, 9:30 is the max or I will start pushing people out of the room.

Problem I ran into with that 410 was that it scared the owners of small clubs when I rolled it in. So last year I went back and bought the DNS-210 figuring I'd use that for small and medium venues. The DNS-210 will handle 700-watts rms (both mechanically and thermally) and has a max SPL of 134db. It's a surprisingly loud cab and has the same clarity, articulation, fullness of sound, and the same tight and even lower bottom end than my DNS410 does. I now use it for all my indoor gigs.

So I can give you two recommendations. If you are going to be playing indoors only, that DNS-210 will handle every small, medium, and large indoor room (outside of stadiums). If you're going to play outdoors, especially outdoor festivals, I'd suggest the DNS-410. The street price on the DNS-210 is ~$849. The street price on the DNS-410 is $1049. With your budget of $2000, you can get either set up with the DNA-800 and come in under budget. If you went for his big brother, you'd be about $350 over budget.

Below is a video from Bass Musician Magazine.com that I've cued up to the part where they are demoing the features of the DNA-800 amp. They are running it through the DNS-210 so that's a good idea of the sound of the two of them together. If you take a look at the DNA Artists on DNA's web site (yes I'm on there), you'll see a surprising number of them that use the DNS-210. I thought that was weird until I bought mine. Now it makes sense.

I did see the DNA amps, had no idea they were Eden, which was/is a killer amp. When I was reading old posts the SWR Super Redhead & Eden were mentioned a lot. I did consider them both because of the positives, but the weight is makes them local pick ups. LOL
So DNA is Eden and Fender bought & destroyed SWR.

Will do some more looking.
Thanks for the info.. it does sound mighty bad ass.

 

[two fingers]

Welcome to TalkBass! My first wife was from rural Pennsyltuckey. I won't hold that against you, though.

Yeah, one of the Mesa Subway heads for sure. The new TT looks simply amazing. If that takes away some of your cab budget, I still think it's worth it. The TT and Subway 115 would likely take care of you. If not, save up and grab another 115 in a few months. But everything I read says that one 115 cab will knock your socks off.

 

[lomo]

....all depends on how freely you wanna part with your rubles.......the TT800 will likely be a cry once/buy once purchase and I'd go with it if you can part with the cake.....but a good dirt pedal and any number of powerful, used, light weight heads (that can be had for about $500) will get you into the same zip code. My .02 is that the eventual goal is a stack of 2 8 Ohm cabs, a primary head, and a backup head. That will allow you max flexibility.....to leave a rig at a practice space, have a loud stack when desired, and enough redundancy to be safe if a component fails. I believe the cabs are even more important than the head, and I suggest 1 cab small enough to be an easy grab/go, and another larger one ..... like subway 210/115 or 115/112 (my preference, and PLENTY loud). That'd give you 3 different rig sizes. Depending on cash flow, you could start with 1 cab and either the #1 or #2 head....or maybe both cabs and a #2 head, etc. Many ways to skin this cat.

 

[JohnnyDepth]

At the risk of sounding like a total dumb ass...
I just said fug it and ordered a Mesa TT800 and Mesa subway 112. Now... which speaker cable?
"I'm new, I don't know what to do!" -Joe Dirt
I haven't played anything but combo's for the longest time and I REALLY don't want to blow this thing up or have a melt down.
Again, not familiar at all with bass rigs. It's okay to point and laugh.
Suggestions?

 

[Matty Koff]

At the risk of sounding like a total dumb ass...
I just said fug it and ordered a Mesa TT800 and Mesa subway 112. Now... which speaker cable?
"I'm new, I don't know what to do!" -Joe Dirt
I haven't played anything but combo's for the longest time and I REALLY don't want to blow this thing up or have a melt down.
Again, not familiar at all with bass rigs. It's okay to point and laugh.
Suggestions?

NL4 or NL2 speakon. The TT-800 manual isn't posted on the MESA product page yet, but this is covered in the WD-800 manual or the other Subway manuals.

The connectors on the amp itself are NL-4, but NL-2 fits the NL-4 socket, but an NL-4 cable won't fit an NL-2 socket, if I'm not mistaken.

Just to assure I'm not being confusing, you'll be ok with an NL-2 or NL-4 speakon cable.

There will be a 2 ohm/4ohm switch on the amp. So if you go less than 4 ohm be sure to set the switch to 2 ohm before powering on the amp with speakers connected, and don't go lower than 2ohm period and you should be good.

 

[Matty Koff]

actually the safest bet is NL-2 cables.. NL-4 cables come in different configurations some of which you want to avoid. Sorry, forgot about that until I double checked.

Copied from the WD-800 manual

The cables to avoid are what are called NL4 bridge mode cables, which are typically 2 wire, and wired 1+/1- on the speaker end and 1+/2+ on the amplifier end (used for pro audio power amps that support this specific bridged termination). These cables SHOULD be clearly marked but sometimes they are not, so be aware of the possibility when buying or troubleshooting cables.

The WD-800 manual has more to say on the subject. I used the search function (F3 on a PC in a browser or document) and typed in "Speakon" with the manual open.

https://mesa-boogie.imgix.net/media/User Manuals/070556_Subway_WD800.pdf

 

[JohnnyDepth]

actually the safest bet is NL-2 cables.. NL-4 cables come in different configurations some of which you want to avoid. Sorry, forgot about that until I double checked.

Copied from the WD-800 manual

The cables to avoid are what are called NL4 bridge mode cables, which are typically 2 wire, and wired 1+/1- on the speaker end and 1+/2+ on the amplifier end (used for pro audio power amps that support this specific bridged termination). These cables SHOULD be clearly marked but sometimes they are not, so be aware of the possibility when buying or troubleshooting cables.

The WD-800 manual has more to say on the subject.

https://mesa-boogie.imgix.net/media/User Manuals/070556_Subway_WD800.pdf

Thanks, I certainly would have screwed the pooch on that.
Trying to find something quality but not ridiculous in price.
I know guitar brands, so maybe Pig Hog makes them.
I appreciate the help.
I'll be stupid careful with the ohms.

 

[Matty Koff]

Thanks, I certainly would have screwed the pooch on that.
Trying to find something quality but not ridiculous in price.
I know guitar brands, so maybe Pig Hog makes them.
I appreciate the help.
I'll be stupid careful with the ohms.

If you've got a Guitar Center nearby you can probably go pick up a good 5' cable for $35, I didn't even know there were different speakon cables available, but that's where I found mine hanging on the wall 5 years ago for a different amp. I'd wager most of their speakon cables if not all are the correct configuration, but you can always ask for someone to point you to the right thing in the store.

You should be able to check what they have in stock on the internet before driving down even. But if you can find one for less $$ all the power to you.

Cool thing with the Liveware cables is you pay that $35 once.. if anything goes wrong with it, take it back to GC and get a new one pretty much no questions asked, that day if they have it in stock.

 

[MarkA]

At the risk of sounding like a total dumb ass...
I just said fug it and ordered a Mesa TT800 and Mesa subway 112. Now... which speaker cable?
"I'm new, I don't know what to do!" -Joe Dirt
I haven't played anything but combo's for the longest time and I REALLY don't want to blow this thing up or have a melt down.
Again, not familiar at all with bass rigs. It's okay to point and laugh.
Suggestions?

Whoa, that was fast. As for Speakon cables (much preferable to 1/4" as you start to get up there in power), make sure the cable uses real Neutrik brand connectors. Some folks on here have reported problems with off-brand connectors and the last thing you want to do is fry your spendy new rig because of a short.

The Subway 112 should be a good, stout 112, but if you're playing with a loud drummer "out" somewhere, it's possible that you'll find yourself wanting for more. You could pair it with another 112 -- some people also do the 112/115 stack with the Subway cabs.

Folks have described the 112 as more mid-forward and the 115 as more full in the lows -- I've heard the 115 live, but not the 112, so can't compare. They are designed to work together, though, if you decide to do that down the road. Two of the same cab will, of course, also work together.

 

[Rip Van Dan]

I did see the DNA amps, had no idea they were Eden, which was/is a killer amp. When I was reading old posts the SWR Super Redhead & Eden were mentioned a lot. I did consider them both because of the positives, but the weight is makes them local pick ups. LOL
So DNA is Eden and Fender bought & destroyed SWR.

Will do some more looking.
Thanks for the info.. it does sound mighty bad ass.

David Nordschow was Eden. He founded it in 1976. in 2008 he sold it to USM, but stayed on another year. In 2009 he left Eden. In 2010 he released his first amp and cabs from his new company DNA (David Nordschow Amplification). So he designed all of the Eden products until he left in 2009 and has designed all of the DNA gear. The DNA gear is the next step up from what he did when he was at Eden.

Hope that makes sense. Eden has nothing to do with DNA, although David did go back and help Eden with some smaller amps and speakers after Marshall bought them from USM. It was strictly on a contract basis.

 

[Gibson Victory]

Sounds like a good choice. You can obviously see by now that there is NO shortage of suggestions and options here, we know EVERYTHING just ask. We also LOVE to spend other peoples money, not a problem, ever. Now about all those pedals you will need...........

 

[Eddie LeBlanc]

Whoa, that was fast. As for Speakon cables (much preferable to 1/4" as you start to get up there in power), make sure the cable uses real Neutrik brand connectors. Some folks on here have reported problems with off-brand connectors and the last thing you want to do is fry your spendy new rig because of a short.

The Subway 112 should be a good, stout 112, but if you're playing with a loud drummer "out" somewhere, it's possible that you'll find yourself wanting for more. You could pair it with another 112 -- some people also do the 112/115 stack with the Subway cabs.

Folks have described the 112 as more mid-forward and the 115 as more full in the lows -- I've heard the 115 live, but not the 112, so can't compare. They are designed to work together, though, if you decide to do that down the road. Two of the same cab will, of course, also work together.

I can second the info about off brand connectors. I had got some real nice heavy duty cables that were off brand, the cable was great, large dia, OFC, good insulation, and flexible. Eventually the spring locks weren't locking the cable in place. All due to the Cheap mfg. Neutrik "style" connector. I eventually bought replacement Neutrik NL4 connectors and replaced them. So now they are real top notch heavy duty flexible cables.

so Buyer Be Ware.

 

[Omega Monkey]

You're definitely going to need at least another Mesa 12 if you want to have any hope of keeping up with a drummer.

I was going to suggest something like a GK 700RB (or one of their newer heads in the same vein), and maybe a pair of the NEO 212s. A single 12 is if you want to play coffee shop jazz or barely be able to keep up with a tame dad rock bar band. For Tool and Helmet kind of stuff you are going to need more firepower. Even as a "stage monitor", unless you have it raised up and point right at your face from a few feet away, the single 12 is not going to cut it.

The TT looks like a good head, but they are literally brand new so you have no option but to pay full retail. That kind of borks your budget right off the bat. I don't know how much those Subway 12s are, but I'm guessing you could still get a decent modern used 4x10 or equivalent to have something you could use when playing with a drummer/full band.

 

[JohnnyDepth]

You're definitely going to need at least another Mesa 12 if you want to have any hope of keeping up with a drummer.

I was going to suggest something like a GK 700RB (or one of their newer heads in the same vein), and maybe a pair of the NEO 212s. A single 12 is if you want to play coffee shop jazz or barely be able to keep up with a tame dad rock bar band. For Tool and Helmet kind of stuff you are going to need more firepower. Even as a "stage monitor", unless you have it raised up and point right at your face from a few feet away, the single 12 is not going to cut it.

The TT looks like a good head, but they are literally brand new so you have no option but to pay full retail. That kind of borks your budget right off the bat. I don't know how much those Subway 12s are, but I'm guessing you could still get a decent modern used 4x10 or equivalent to have something you could use when playing with a drummer/full band.

Indeed, blew my budget because I was just impatient. The TT800 has yes to ship, back ordered...
My thinking was to add another 112 and a 410, if that even makes sense.

Agree, especially Helmet style, which the bass is very prominent. Helmet (Henry) was always my favorite bass tone, just cleanish snarling bass. Hence the old G&L L2K.

Speaking of, this bass is absolutely insane sounding, well to me. I dropped some pedals out front, but it doesn't need a thing, maybe an type of OD, but as is, I'm happy as hell with it. The pups seem to be really high output, but idk. Just aggressive. I need to roll the Vol back to get it to calm down. Could just be my aggressive string attack, I'm pretty hard on guitars. Haha

Thanks for your input. I ordered everything from Sweetwater, nothing has shipped yet. Only got a cable from another source.

I do feel you're right. I'm not trying to sound like Henry, but I certainly love that tone and how forward it is.

I believe he ran a SWR SM900 back in the day, then a Mesa 400+ and also a GK. So it seems like the amp in the case isn't the main tone source.

Hell, even Page used several different amps and retained his grinding tone. JCM, Orange, VHT, H&K.

GK is certainly still an option, I can cancel the order, although I've been itching like a crack head to get it.

Thanks