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Ampeg PF-20T Jam Review

Hi Talkbass,

It has taken me a while to post this review as I have been busy. I wanted to give a review because there is much information on the specs and sound of this little tube amp, but little information around its versatility. I wanted this amp not just for a nice home practice amp, but also for something that I could send into a power amp for live gigging. I have to say that the PF-20T has followed through with these wants quite well.

The amp is nice and small and at about 15 lbs, it is easy to carry or put in a bag. Others have found some nifty carrying cases that seem to fit thes units quite nicely. I'm happy just carrying it on its own.

The controls are refreshingly simple. The bass, middle, treble are set at good frequencies and the sound can be manipulated substantially from deep, booming bass, to a treble attack. The gain on these amps is different from what I'm used to. With a traditional Fender gain, I find that breakup gets gnarly and unpleasant. With the gain on the Ampeg, the further you crank it, the bigger and thicker the sound gets. I found a sweet spot on this gain at about 2 o'clock that had my P bass getting this really nice, thick grit when digging in.

At the far right, the master has some surprising volume on tap, although it tends to max out fairly quickly when turning clockwise. Perhaps this is to allow for more dial-in power tube breakup. Don't underestimate this amp when running into a big 8X10. It loves powering my Traynor TC810 and can get quite loud.

When played through my Acme 12" Series 3 cab, the amp is wonderfully full and rich. Dialing in that grit gets something pretty close to what I hear on the old Jackson 5 records and most of the rest of the Motown bass sound. The bass just sits so well in the mix, I find myself forgetting about settings and dials and just playing. It is a wonderful feeling.

What is, in my opinion the most under-appreciated part of this amp is its potential as a preamp. The post-pre out at the back has a really hot signal that perfectly powers my Peavey CS-800S power amp. The Peavey has given me some trouble in the past as many pres I have tried with it don't send a hot enough signal to it. The PF-20T gives it a hot enough signal and then some. It pushes the Peavey into DDT protection with the master at about 3/4 and me playing my P bass normally.

When playing through the DI outs, the master and gain are both active so you can control your volume from the PF-20T instead of through the power amp or board.

Played at a recent jam, I had my Acme Flatwound and Fullrange 12" cabs powered with 800 watts from the Peavey power amp. The PF-20T sat perfectly on top of the vertical stack. Playing 90's alternative with two guitarists playing JCM 900 amps (100 watts of guitar face melt) and a hard hitting drummer I had no trouble keeping up. My 5 string P bass with TI flats sat just below the guitars and just over the kick drum. With the EQ flat, the 'nose' of the amp really came forward and songs like Rage Against the Macine - Killing in the Name of, and Lenny Kravitz - Rock and Roll is Dead glorified the thickness and grit of the bass. This is just an all out fun amp to play when going through a power amp and you can truly set the dials and forget it, and get on with playing.

This is the preamp and recording/practice amp that I have been looking for for some time. Although the price is a bit steep for a 20 watt amp, the features of the amp are quite desirable and, in my opinion, make up for the price tag.
 
Thanks Muckaluck. So it looks like I will be able to run this into the effects return on my LH1000 and run it bridged. Also been thinking of picking up something like a Behringer NU1000 to power it. I've been thinking about 12s for a long time, this may push me more in that direction. I really like my 410s though with their portability (only 47 lbs ea).
 
Thanks Muckaluck. So it looks like I will be able to run this into the effects return on my LH1000 and run it bridged. Also been thinking of picking up something like a Behringer NU1000 to power it. I've been thinking about 12s for a long time, this may push me more in that direction. I really like my 410s though with their portability (only 47 lbs ea).

Yeah, you should have no trouble running into the effects loop of the Hartke or through the Behringer.
 
Great review. The PF-20T is on my GAS list. Maybe next year I will buy one.

With a traditional Fender gain, I find that breakup gets gnarly and unpleasant. With the gain on the Ampeg, the further you crank it, the bigger and thicker the sound gets. I found a sweet spot on this gain at about 2 o'clock that had my P bass getting this really nice, thick grit when digging in.

Early on as a bassist, I used Fender tube amps. I always fought with the EQ to try to get my sound. The first time I plugged into an Ampeg, the sound was just there. And turning up the gain just to the point of breakup is wonderful.:)
 
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Dunno, back in the day I had a Bassman tube amp and a folded horn cabinet, and I never seemed to have any trouble getting good tone. Wish I still had those. But I'm looking forward to a pf tube amp that's affordable and can front a power amp for outdoors gigs, etc
 
I think that will work. I usually run my tone wide open and let the sound guy cut highs if necessary. I'm just looking for tubey goodness with light overdrive with the possibility of going to a good fat thick grit. Can't do that with my Hartke as there's no gain knob. It's a great clean amp with a tube pre, but no gain/od/grit. And it does have the fender tonestack. I'll be able to bypass that by plugging into the effects return.

Thanks Muckaluck!
 
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Dunno, back in the day I had a Bassman tube amp and a folded horn cabinet, and I never seemed to have any trouble getting good tone.

It's not that I got horrible tone out of my fenders, I just didn't get a sound as pleasing as I get from my ampegs. It's the same when I hear other bass players using bassmans. Not a terrible sound, just a meh sound. I don't hate Fender--I like the sound of guitar through a bassman. The fenders I used just had something missing in the low mids, where the ampegs are strong and growly in the low mids. I tried my fenders with fender cabs, ampeg 15" cabs, and even my flatback SVT cab. I still couldn't get anything but an okay sound. I never tried my fenders with a folded horn. Perhaps your folded horn gave you a boost in the low mids. Or you just like a more scooped sound than I do.

Also, dare I say, if you buy the PF-20T and have a chance to compare it directly to a bassman, you just might find the bassman doesn't sound as good as you remember. ;) Sorry, had to say it.
 
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fact is there is no (close to current) bassman all tube amp in the price range of the PF-20/50T, and if I can get studio quality sound with a good overdrive, I'll be a happy camper! I'm looking forward to some 'peg grind!
 
Hi Talkbass,

It has taken me a while to post this review as I have been busy. I wanted to give a review because there is much information on the specs and sound of this little tube amp, but little information around its versatility. I wanted this amp not just for a nice home practice amp, but also for something that I could send into a power amp for live gigging. I have to say that the PF-20T has followed through with these wants quite well.

The amp is nice and small and at about 15 lbs, it is easy to carry or put in a bag. Others have found some nifty carrying cases that seem to fit thes units quite nicely. I'm happy just carrying it on its own.

The controls are refreshingly simple. The bass, middle, treble are set at good frequencies and the sound can be manipulated substantially from deep, booming bass, to a treble attack. The gain on these amps is different from what I'm used to. With a traditional Fender gain, I find that breakup gets gnarly and unpleasant. With the gain on the Ampeg, the further you crank it, the bigger and thicker the sound gets. I found a sweet spot on this gain at about 2 o'clock that had my P bass getting this really nice, thick grit when digging in.

At the far right, the master has some surprising volume on tap, although it tends to max out fairly quickly when turning clockwise. Perhaps this is to allow for more dial-in power tube breakup. Don't underestimate this amp when running into a big 8X10. It loves powering my Traynor TC810 and can get quite loud.

When played through my Acme 12" Series 3 cab, the amp is wonderfully full and rich. Dialing in that grit gets something pretty close to what I hear on the old Jackson 5 records and most of the rest of the Motown bass sound. The bass just sits so well in the mix, I find myself forgetting about settings and dials and just playing. It is a wonderful feeling.

What is, in my opinion the most under-appreciated part of this amp is its potential as a preamp. The post-pre out at the back has a really hot signal that perfectly powers my Peavey CS-800S power amp. The Peavey has given me some trouble in the past as many pres I have tried with it don't send a hot enough signal to it. The PF-20T gives it a hot enough signal and then some. It pushes the Peavey into DDT protection with the master at about 3/4 and me playing my P bass normally.

When playing through the DI outs, the master and gain are both active so you can control your volume from the PF-20T instead of through the power amp or board.

Played at a recent jam, I had my Acme Flatwound and Fullrange 12" cabs powered with 800 watts from the Peavey power amp. The PF-20T sat perfectly on top of the vertical stack. Playing 90's alternative with two guitarists playing JCM 900 amps (100 watts of guitar face melt) and a hard hitting drummer I had no trouble keeping up. My 5 string P bass with TI flats sat just below the guitars and just over the kick drum. With the EQ flat, the 'nose' of the amp really came forward and songs like Rage Against the Macine - Killing in the Name of, and Lenny Kravitz - Rock and Roll is Dead glorified the thickness and grit of the bass. This is just an all out fun amp to play when going through a power amp and you can truly set the dials and forget it, and get on with playing.

This is the preamp and recording/practice amp that I have been looking for for some time. Although the price is a bit steep for a 20 watt amp, the features of the amp are quite desirable and, in my opinion, make up for the price tag.

Do you still have the Thunderbass? How does the Ampeg compare to the Guild?
 
Yes I still have the Thunderbass! It hasn't been played in a while but when I get the chance to compare I will let you know.
Right on. I just took my '66 Thunderbass to the shop today because of the volume cutting out anytime my input gain goes too high (i.e. just digging in fingerstyle or using a pick).

I traded an STV-4Pro for the Guild head & 215 cab a few years back, and wasn't in love with it when I got it--mostly because it wasn't putting out the anywhere near volume that I wanted/needed/was used to having. But now that I have a Super Bassman, I'm pretty sure I'll love the Thunderbass as a lower volume tone machine. BUT, I've also been gassing for a 60's B-15n and trying to get info on the new Portaflexes.
 
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Hello everyone, I'm new in the forum, I recently purchased a second hand ampeg pf20t, and I wanted to know if some other users have the same issues I have :
I can't put the gain knob more than a quarter (9 o'Clock) if I grab it more I have a very unpleasant saturated sound, Ans If I play on a 5 Stings bass it's even worst, the B sting makes sound the cabinet like of the speaker was broken.
The master volume of the pf20t does not work after 10 o'clock, if I stay gain and volume at 9oclock and play with 4 strings passive bass like a P bass, and I play softly, so no problem it sounds good, anyone have same issues?
Thanks for your help
 
Hello everyone, I'm new in the forum, I recently purchased a second hand ampeg pf20t, and I wanted to know if some other users have the same issues I have :
I can't put the gain knob more than a quarter (9 o'Clock) if I grab it more I have a very unpleasant saturated sound, Ans If I play on a 5 Stings bass it's even worst, the B sting makes sound the cabinet like of the speaker was broken.
The master volume of the pf20t does not work after 10 o'clock, if I stay gain and volume at 9oclock and play with 4 strings passive bass like a P bass, and I play softly, so no problem it sounds good, anyone have same issues?
Thanks for your help
My guess: Either the output of your bass is extremely hot, you have a pedal adjusted inappropriately, or the amp has a problem.

I have not played a PF20T. From what I have read, a common complaint is the PF20T does not have enough gain to push into OD. I.E. with the controls wide open, the amp remains clean. Of course, if you hit the amp with a hot signal, this can be overcome.

If you are using pedals, unplug them and then plug your bass straight into the amp. The problem could be one of the pedals or one of the pedals may be adjusted to produce too hot of a signal.
 
Thank you Wasnex,
I have no pedals and the basse is connected directly to the amp it's a fender Precision bass passive, I think the amp have a problem, I tested different cabs, and all have the same problem, and I also tried with different basses : same problem: yesterday I tried another amp on my pf 115he cab to be 100% sure . And no problem with another amplifier on the cab, so I think my pf 20t don't work well, if anyone had the same issue?
Thanks for helping me
Have a nice day
 
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