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Ampeg PF210 Replacement Speakers

creis2

creis2

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Nov 11, 2011
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Cambridge, MA
#1
So I went to a garage sale today and found a near new Ampeg pf210 cabinet with no speakers. The owner said he removed them for a cab he made from scratch and this box was in great shape, I picked it up for 50 bucks.

I'm looking for a set of speakers, although it might end up being really pricey, I really want a compact 4-ohm 210, plus this this is pretty cool looking.

I've tried to use speaker calculators before, but have no idea what I'm doing.

Could someone reccomend two good speakers to use in this cab? :help:
 
#2
creis2 said:
So I went to a garage sale today and found a near new Ampeg pf210 cabinet with no speakers. The owner said he removed them for a cab he made from scratch and this box was in great shape, I picked it up for 50 bucks.

I'm looking for a set of speakers, although it might end up being really pricey, I really want a compact 4-ohm 210, plus this this is pretty cool looking.

I've tried to use speaker calculators before, but have no idea what I'm doing.

Could someone reccomend two good speakers to use in this cab? :help:
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Wow, I can't imagine that. They were Eminence drivers, so I'd call either them or Ampeg.
 
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fenderhutz said:
I would try the Celestions from Avatar speakers. Grab 2 16ohm speakers for 69 bucks. If you don't like them you can sell them for you paid. Yeah it's not 4ohm, but worth a shot. You won't get a ton of more volume switching from 8ohm to 4ohm anyway. They may have some 8ohm left, you just have to call and ask and you could have the 4ohm option.

Avatar Speakers

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I'm not very familiar with how wattage works. My amp gives me almost 250 more watts when I go from 8 ohms to 4 ohms. This won't be much louder?
 
#9
fenderhutz said:
Maybe a couple db, but not enough to overpower anything. He might have some 8ohms left if you WANT to run 4ohm. I wish I had a 10 inch loaded cab to try the speakers. It's what Peavey uses for the Trace Elliot stuff.
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I currenly have a Berg NV 610 as my main cab, I see this Ampeg as a good solution for what I need. I need something to keep at my practice space ( I don't want to risk the NV610 being stolen), and something to play at small gigs.

I have a GK 700rb, it puts out 320 watts at 8 ohms. Would this be loud enough to play with a indie rock band, both my guitarists have 60 watt 410 fender devilles. BTW, i'm not one of those Loud playing over powering bassists.
 
#10
Two Basslite S2010s. They'll work decently enough in any box and are fairly affordable.

If you want cheaper, eminence BP102s will also work well enough in any box although they might be a bit boomy in the small cab. You may need to adjust the tuning to get these sounding good.

If you post some measurements of the box I'll try to get some better recommendations. Include l/w/d of any ports.
 
#11
My dimensions inside are Width, Depth,Height 19",11.5", 19". An advantage of the portaflex, is that the top comes off. Would looking for two speakers that handle 300 watts as opposed to 200 watts be a lot to ask? In case I ever upgrade my head, I'm looking at the 1001rb possibly. Or would an extra 200 watts not really help me in a 210?


Thanks everyone
 
#16
A speaker's advertised RMS wattage is the wattage that the voice coil melts down. A rule of thumb is that a speaker can only really take half of that number. To further complicate things, marketing departments get involved so with some cabs you're getting a lot of big numbers that in many cases will not accurately represent the capabilities of the cabs.

Regardless of what you drop in that box I'd wager it's not going to take more than 250w RMS or so before the speakers give up and "fart out" which means they reach their xmax-their mechanical limit where the cone can't travel any farther. A 4 ohm cab will probably just mean that you're that more likely to blow it by overpowering it. Your head will put out more than enough power to drive that 210 into oblivion if you're careless with it, 8 ohms or not. ;)
 
#17
christw said:
If you're looking for more volume you need to add more speaker area. Regardless of what you drop in that box I'd wager it's not going to take more than 250w RMS or so before the speakers give up. A 4 ohm cab just means you're that more likely to blow it by overpowering it.
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Oh thanks a lot. I have my NV610 for loud volumes I guess. I think adding a 2nd 210 will be inefficient, I'll use the 210 for practice/small gigs and my 610 for large gigs.

I'm thinking about getting a set of original speakers, with these, the amp will handle 450 watts rms and it will be 8 ohms.

My gk head pumps 320 into 8 ohms, the head I'm thinking about getting pumps 460 watts into 8 ohms. Should I have a problem running this setup?
 
#18
creis2 said:
Would it be wise to stick with an 8 ohm cab and order original speakers from ampeg?
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Yes. That's the driver the cabinet was designed for, and the cabinet has had very good reviews from actual customers. I'd stay with the original drivers, if it were mine. Staying with 8ohms will also allow you to add a second cab later, if you need more volume.
 
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christw said:
A speaker's advertised RMS wattage is the wattage that the voice coil melts down. A rule of thumb is that a speaker can only really take half of that number. To further complicate things, marketing departments get involved so with some cabs you're getting a lot of big numbers that in many cases will not accurately represent the capabilities of the cabs.
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I have a 610 cab that handles 750 watts at 4 ohms and my current head puts out 480 watts at 4 ohms. I'm looking for a backup head and I found a head that puts out 700 watts at 4 ohms, would this be overkill for my 750 watt cab?
 
#20
That 450w rating on the 210 is the thermal rating. Again, that means that the speakers voice coils melt at 450w RMS. As an owner of PF115HE, I can say that they will fart under 300w RMS.

The 610 will may or may not take all of that. I don't know much about the Bergs so let your ears be the judge. To be honest, the difference between 480 and 700 watts into the same cab isn't going to be all that significant although I'd wager the Berg will take all of that power. I forget the figure, but it's something like you need ten times the power through the same speakers to be twice as loud or something like that...
 

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