Amps louder than Tecamp Puma 900 but same size

[DWBass]

I think you're overestimating what a small 12" cab can do, and you're risking damaging it. If you need to be louder than you are, with that equipment, the answer is more speakers not more watts.

This. A single 12 can only do so much especially if you 'require' loud. Don't know how small or heavy the amp is but I'd suggest GK. They get pretty doggone loud but again, you're pushing a single 12. Gots to be careful no matter what amp you use.

Last suggestion.......get a 4ohm 2x12.

 

[gtirard]

It makes me crazy how people don't understand. Let me try for the last time:
- OP is not asking for something impossible: he doesn't want to be louder than what he is now, just equaly loud, but with a lighter amp
- OP doesn't want to change cab, just the amp
- His initial request being: "could I find an amp that is equaly loud as the Reidmar with the same cab, but lighter?", we can answer "yes, you could try XX", or "no, there is no lightweight amp that is as loud as the Reidmar", or "I don't know", or "try the Puma with a HPF, or with a different EQ"… - but "change the cab", "get a second cab" are not answering his question.

 

[agedhorse]

It makes me crazy how people don't understand. Let me try for the last time:
- OP is not asking for something impossible: he doesn't want to be louder than what he is now, just equaly loud, but with a lighter amp
- OP doesn't want to change cab, just the amp
- His initial request being: "could I find an amp that is equaly loud as the Reidmar with the same cab, but lighter?", we can answer "yes, you could try XX", or "no, there is no lightweight amp that is as loud as the Reidmar", or "I don't know", or "try the Puma with a HPF, or with a different EQ"… - but "change the cab", "get a second cab" are not answering his question.

We are hearing and understanding just fine. There's no need to cop an attitude here.

The voicing is different on the Reidmar, which gives a perception of loudness, but in the attempt to achieve this volume with another amp that's larger is likely to damage the cabinet.

IF the OP needs more volume because he can't get the perception of volume due to the voicing of the alternative amps, then the appropriate hand in hand recommendation of either a second cabinet or a more capable cabinet is a good one.

 

[paskisti]

Maybe we could suggest another amp that has different voicing, more similar to Reidmar?

If another cab is not the answer, OP could try pedal pre and HPF. My suggestion is Darkglass Vintage Deluxe (more mids) for pre, but pedal HPFs I have no experience. Pre can also drive amp harder if its pre won't get into clipping by itself - if this is the case now. HPF will allow to save power for usable frequency range and protect the speaker.

 

[sokolasty]

Gain set to clip when hit moderately hard, master at full.

Does the speaker play clean and faithful or is driven to mechanical distortion?

 

[SteveCS]

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My guess is it has to do with the voicing.
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I also imagine both of those amps have some kind of HPF built in. IME they can make a huge difference to perceived volume, and often in a non-intiuitive way, as in less bass delivers more in perceived loudness or even actual SPL. So perhaps differences is HPF characteristics might be at play here in terms of getting 'more' from the speaker?

 

[ReeV0]

Does the speaker play clean and faithful or is driven to mechanical distortion?

The Reidmar was distorting at max volume, but I think that was the poweramp being driven into clipping rather than the speaker distorting.

 

[Zooberwerx]

The Reidmar was distorting at max volume, but I think that was the poweramp being driven into clipping rather than the speaker distorting.

I can't begin to imagine diming my 750 into the Epifani enclosure.

I traded off my larger amp for the Reidmar and my first choice was either a Quilter 800 or 802 but that was not in the cards. OTOH, I really like the feature-set on the Reidmar so concessions are in play. Won't fit in a conventional gig bag so I'm looking for an appropriately sized padded bag or backpack.

If in your shoes, I'd sell-off one or the other and wait for a Quilter to hit the market...I believe new models are on the horizon. Harley Benton offers a similar platform which gets good reviews.

Riis

 

[ReeV0]

I can't begin to imagine diming my 750 into the Epifani enclosure.

I traded off my larger amp for the Reidmar and my first choice was either a Quilter 800 or 802 but that was not in the cards. OTOH, I really like the feature-set on the Reidmar so concessions are in play. Won't fit in a conventional gig bag so I'm looking for an appropriately sized padded bag or backpack.

If in your shoes, I'd sell-off one or the other and wait for a Quilter to hit the market...I believe new models are on the horizon. Harley Benton offers a similar platform which gets good reviews.

Riis

I use a repurposed laptop bag to transport my Reidmar, works great. I've owned the Quilter BB802 and HB 800b in the past, both great amps but neither in the form factor I'm after.

 

[Zooberwerx]

I use a repurposed laptop bag to transport my Reidmar, works great. I've owned the Quilter BB802 and HB 800b in the past, both great amps but neither in the form factor I'm after.

...but that's one extra bag, right? How did the Quilter & HB come-up short? No first-hand experience here but I heard they make great slave amps when used in conjunction with the better multi-FX.

Riis

 

[Stranger Danger]

I think you're overestimating what a small 12" cab can do, and you're risking damaging it. If you need to be louder than you are, with that equipment, the answer is more speakers not more watts.

Yep, he's definitely chasing the wrong squirrel

 

[Bisounourse]

This might be a bit out of the box thinking, but what about a bass gigbag that has room to fit a laptop? That should be large enough to house the Reidmar.

 

[Stylee Mousse]

Purse amp problems…

let me see if I got this right: "I have a tiny and loud rig that I like but the head (that fits in a laptop bag) could be tinier but isn't, as a result I carry a thing that's not big but don't wanna even that"

 

[agedhorse]

The Reidmar was distorting at max volume, but I think that was the poweramp being driven into clipping rather than the speaker distorting.

Since the Reidmar 750 doesn't have a power amp clipping indicator, how do you know it was the power amp clipping?

If it was, and the Puma has a clip limiter and just limits rather than clips, that could easily explain the difference, or if the limitation was the speaker and not the amp itself (or a combination of the above).

 

[JimChjones]

Is there anything useful the OP can do testing wise? OK any kind of quantitative testing needs far too much of sophisticated facilities for amateurs like me, but bearing in mind that its Amp A versus Amp B through the same driver, would there be any virtue in, say, feeding in white noise from a phone to each in turn, and then comparing the output with a spectrum analyser on another phone to see if there are any differences? Whilst any numbers you'd get out would be completely meaningless, if the "loud" amp shows a different shape to the "quiet" one, would there be any virtue in tweaking tone controls so the outputs were closer matched and see if that affected the perceived volume? I'm conscious that normally any kind of amateur testing is so limited by facilities as to be of minimal value, but in this case there are so few variables might it be worth a try?

 

[agedhorse]

Is there anything useful the OP can do testing wise? OK any kind of quantitative testing needs far too much of sophisticated facilities for amateurs like me, but bearing in mind that its Amp A versus Amp B through the same driver, would there be any virtue in, say, feeding in white noise from a phone to each in turn, and then comparing the output with a spectrum analyser on another phone to see if there are any differences? Whilst any numbers you'd get out would be completely meaningless, if the "loud" amp shows a different shape to the "quiet" one, would there be any virtue in tweaking tone controls so the outputs were closer matched and see if that affected the perceived volume? I'm conscious that normally any kind of amateur testing is so limited by facilities as to be of minimal value, but in this case there are so few variables might it be worth a try?

Not really, not without risking damaging perfectly functional gear or coming to false conclusions.

 

[sokolasty]

The Reidmar was distorting at max volume, but I think that was the poweramp being driven into clipping rather than the speaker distorting.

This is so impressive for cabinet
I would never expected it to no become a fartbox at full 350W in low register
I play Ampeg SVT3 pro with 410 Markbass and it farts

 

[SteveCS]

Since the Reidmar 750 doesn't have a power amp clipping indicator, how do you know it was the power amp clipping?

If it was, and the Puma has a clip limiter and just limits rather than clips, that could easily explain the difference, or if the limitation was the speaker and not the amp itself (or a combination of the above).

And there is also the possibility that the compressors, depending on how the bands/side-chain filtering, makeup gain and response times are configured, might be creating an impression of additional volume or loudness.

 

[JdoubleH]

And there is also the possibility that the compressors, depending on how the bands/side-chain filtering, makeup gain and response times are configured, might be creating an impression of additional volume or loudness.

Good point- compression and some saturation will often work wonders in recording and mixing bass tracks to make the bass fuller in the mix without raising the level of the bass in the mix (along with side chaining the kick into the bass compressor).

 

[JdoubleH]

I totally get the desire to keep the load light and compact. Is it just weight? Or size too? GR Bass has a 2x12 the same weight of the Super Midget 112. It's an inch narrower, about 2 inches deeper, and of course taller. No idea max spl.

www.grbass.com/portfolio/at-212-slim/

I have no experience with it, but the posts about it I've seen so far are favorable.