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Angine de Poitrine
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Wow, cranky old man…
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And he’s a considerably younger than me. Jealous much?
“Would they have that same attention if they weren’t wearing big clown noses?”: Why Devin Townsend isn’t sold on viral guitar duo Angine de Poitrine — Guitar.com
“My perspective on it is only that I've been irritated by it so far,” says the guitarist.
And he’s a considerably younger than me. Jealous much?
I'm irritated by the the music I haven't listened to and refuse to listen to.Wow, cranky old man…
“Would they have that same attention if they weren’t wearing big clown noses?”: Why Devin Townsend isn’t sold on viral guitar duo Angine de Poitrine — Guitar.com
“My perspective on it is only that I've been irritated by it so far,” says the guitarist.
And he’s a considerably younger than me. Jealous much?
What a tool.....
He says he's listened but not closely enough.
I dunno. What Devin Townsend says isn't all that different from what Emily Hopkins says in this video, she's mostly doing it without being cranky.
I don't totally agree with her either but I respect her opinions in part because they're reasonable and she explains them well.
Maybe Townsend could talk about it more sensibly if he wasn't being prodded by a podcaster to throw out a hot take or start a beef to get viral with.
....and refuses to listen any more....
And as far as her take on it, I think the fact their shows are still growing puts any of that to rest. Their look is no longer a new thing, people a digging what they're hearing, who cares what they look like.
Do people only listen to Buckethead because of his "gimmick"?
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And yet, I hear entire audiences singing their riffs back to them as they play them.
Not intending this as a flame…They’re a rock band, they’re not trying to be anything else, they don’t play Indian or Arabic music because they’re not Indian or Arabic and can’t pull it off in an honest way. So they’re being themselves and playing what they feel, and we can either like it or not. I love it, you don’t, that’s cool.
But I would encourage you to make the kind of music you love, and if you think ADP could be improved, do it yourself and cut them out of the loop entirely, pardon the pun.
You mean this guy?Wow, cranky old man…
“Would they have that same attention if they weren’t wearing big clown noses?”: Why Devin Townsend isn’t sold on viral guitar duo Angine de Poitrine — Guitar.com
“My perspective on it is only that I've been irritated by it so far,” says the guitarist.
And he’s a considerably younger than me. Jealous much?
I guess Devin’s costume is way more intelligent.
It is a flame and I expected there will be one. Yes they do make audience rock and many microtonal musicians can't compete with that. But yeah I'll keep on listening to the microtonal music that I know and like. I've been listening to them before many folks got into it, before you did probably. My son was the one who clued me into them and he listen to them a lot, He is always on the lookout for new and unheard music..And yet, I hear entire audiences singing their riffs back to them as they play them.
Not intending this as a flame…They’re a rock band, they’re not trying to be anything else, they don’t play Indian or Arabic music because they’re not Indian or Arabic and can’t pull it off in an honest way. So they’re being themselves and playing what they feel, and we can either like it or not. I love it, you don’t, that’s cool.
But I would encourage you to make the kind of music you love, and if you think ADP could be improved, do it yourself and cut them out of the loop entirely, pardon the pun.
There are also some French and Algerian rockers who have been doing this style for a while. But I give it to him for his looping skills.
Usually when we're criticizing something we're starting from a position of "that's good" or "that's bad", and the critique is in trying to work out exactly why we think it's good or bad. And that's because we're not going to feel motivated to put the effort into forming opinions about things we're indifferent to.
It can be surprisingly hard to dial in on exactly what makes this thing something we like, and that thing something we don't like. The issue at hand might not even be intrinsic to the thing, but to the time or place it's experienced. It's why people who are good at criticism can be valuable and worth paying money for.
I'll take a critic I usually disagree with over one I always agree with, if the former is better at thinking through and explaining themselves. Roger Ebert was a national treasure -- we had wildly different tastes in film but I could read his reviews and have a decent expectation of whether I'd like a particular movie, regardless of whether he liked it.
So anyway. A guest spot on a podcast is a forum for hot takes and self-promotion, the hosts aren't going to give Townsend room for anything more complex than "great!" or "sucks!" He might have more complicated opinions about AdP. Or not. Odds are pretty good that we've collectively spent more time on his opinion than he ever intends to.
And you should if that’s more your thing. But as they said, “Microtones don’t belong to anyone.”
I enjoy critics, even did a stint as a critic for a local magazine in the 90s. I caught a little flack from readers, too. I was told, “Good. That means they’re reading your reviews.”
But I don’t put any stock in what they say. If I like something, I’ll like it with or without them.
The cultures that have been stewarding this music for millennia probably did not say that it belonged to them as well, I did not know that they said that and in what contest.
It's either you like something or not. There so many tuning systems in the world and any modern digital synthesizers will give you access to most of them. Any big city in the US will have an Indian or Middle east person that can teach you this stuff. and tune you in what people listen to in those countries,
Goddard college in Vermont will offer you a degree on Gamelan. We have a Gamelan group here in Albuquerque among other things and many universalities have been teaching this as well maybe since forever. Contemporary classical musicians have been composing for microtonal; a while. But for pop , rock and ever EDM microtonal scales have been in use for a while now but not highlighted as the main element. It simply is music. Also it in South East Asia. I think microtones are natural before we invented equal temperament. Ask any woodwind player and what efforts we have to do to conform to tempered tuning,
I do not know why you pointed that out, I never spoke of cultural appropriation . I simply have been interested in music outside the norm and play and compose it albeit to a very limited audience. Local or internet fame even making a bar rock are not a metrics that I adhere to. and never been a metric of music satisfaction for me. I di play in a successful latin band when I was young in NYC/NJ.
Definitely. And if I was a performing musician I'd stay far away from critics because reading them would get me in my own head too much.
On the other hand, a good critic can spur me to think about why I like or don't like something. Or even why I should care about something I don't care about. It's a way to learn about new music or movies or art; I don't have time to take it all in myself, so they can be useful filters, even when I disagree with them. I think there's often a presumed obligation to form an opinion that aligns with whoever you read, but I think a good critic is one that's reliable even when you usually disagree. The secret is to have the critical skills to be able to filter the critics. A critical criticism critique, one might say.
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You seem to be taking offense for no reason. They said that because they didn’t want people who never heard quarter tones to think they have some lock on microtonal music, nor did they want people to think that they’re stealing someone else’s culture that isn’t theirs.
Very interesting talk about critics and their value, or lack thereof.
Two things that I have noticed over the years.
One. If, for example, a film critic has consistently shown a dislike of a certain genre that interests me, then his/her reviews, regarding that genre, are worthless to me. If you don't like horror movies going in, then it's very likely that you'll never get why I do like them.
Two. Rarely, if ever, has a critic convinced me to see, or not see a movie, or to listen to, or not listen to music, based on their review. We all either like something, or don't like it, and there can be a myriad of reasons for that. Sometimes it's not even about being good, or bad, but does something appeal to, or entertain you. That is all that matters, really.
Two things that I have noticed over the years.
One. If, for example, a film critic has consistently shown a dislike of a certain genre that interests me, then his/her reviews, regarding that genre, are worthless to me. If you don't like horror movies going in, then it's very likely that you'll never get why I do like them.
Two. Rarely, if ever, has a critic convinced me to see, or not see a movie, or to listen to, or not listen to music, based on their review. We all either like something, or don't like it, and there can be a myriad of reasons for that. Sometimes it's not even about being good, or bad, but does something appeal to, or entertain you. That is all that matters, really.
probably not a unique take, but i had a feeling that this band would only be talked about seriously for a couple weeks. Looks like it was enough viral hype to get them some bigger bookings including a top spot at a rock festival in my city. I agree 100% with the Emily Hopkins take pretty much. Their music isn't bad but also not great enough to sustain them, but who knows what their next creative steps will be.
I'd argue it was a big part of his rise. But ask yourself who is listening to Buckethead in 2026. Very few. Could be because the gimmick wore off.
