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ANNOYED. 2 diffrent techs and my strings still buzz HELP!
- Thread starter emericaSKATER22
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+1 On the above post. I'm not tech but, that action looks REALLY low! if its not more than 1/32 at the twelfth fret then that's probably the issue.
Hopkins
Commercial User
First I would check your relieve to see if you have a back bow, get that right then raise your strings a bit. Your action seems to be very low. If your neck has a micro tilt adjustment you may need to back that off a bit. If not you might check if there is a shim that can be removed. Seeing as though it is better on an open note I don't think you have nut issues.
You can make anything buzz, if you pluck it hard enough. Your bass looks like it has extremely low action for someone who plays as hard as you seem to. The setup is not right for you; "Play lighter", may be good advice overall, but not at your expense.
Customers who need the lowest action possible, get a level/recrown, with the strings on, tuned to pitch. Like six-figure German machinery, this removes the least amount of fret material possible.
there you go!
a real fret leveling, with tension simulation like i do or the "strings-on" trick JLS is referring to (and which i'm jealous of
), will get rid of unevenness, warps, and dips in the fret plane, giving you actual buzz-reduction.
a real fret leveling, with tension simulation like i do or the "strings-on" trick JLS is referring to (and which i'm jealous of
), will get rid of unevenness, warps, and dips in the fret plane, giving you actual buzz-reduction.
I've had that weird rattle buzz with open strings before and it was not the nut. What we had found was the strings were not sitting in the bridge saddles securely and had to be filed. Basically the strings the strings weren't breaking over properly on the leading edge of the saddle. It was annoying as hell. My tech cut them alittle deeper so the string didn't move around in the saddle and it seemed to take care of it.
Edit:My problem was with the Badass Bass2 bridge saddles.
Edit:My problem was with the Badass Bass2 bridge saddles.
The tech said the same thing but im not playing on it very hard and if i grab my other bass and play really hard it does not buzz.
I have a electric acoustic bass and electric bass that dont buzz and there action is alot higher, but ive had the action raised and still buzzed, do i need it like mega raised or something?
What Walter said: a real fret leveling, with tension simulation like i do or the "strings-on" trick JLS is referring to (and which i'm jealous of ), will get rid of unevenness, warps, and dips in the fret plane, giving you actual buzz-reduction.
Sounds like a combination of problems working against you.
Changing string gauge will change the relief.
plus the saddle heights are most likely incorrect
and the neck tilt needs to be set right.
most likely the second guy got the relief really flat
which is good. but now the bridge saddles and neck tilt
are incorrect. and the neck might have relaxed a bit and that ruler
straight neck is now underbowed.
especially if your using lighter strings, and the previous owners
had the saddles and tilt set for heavy strings.
There is a few extra steps that peavey recommends to set the tilt
the neck and bridge saddles are set with standard tuning tension.
And peavey recommends setting the final string height with the
tilt not the saddles. and that is to be done with lower string tension. the saddles are set to adjust to the necks radius
So yes it should be done by someone who actually knows peaveys setup method.
the bass most likely had heavy strings and needed the relief to be set along time ago. Now all the work has been done on it with lighter strings. So the relief is going crazy, and the relation between the saddles and tilt is just whack.
And now everything needs to be done to the string gauge of your choice. Most likely your second guy is smart enough to do it. he needs to see the factory PDF for the tilt.
I think he was actually giving you a really sweet setup, and trying to impress you with ruler straight relief and really nice close action. But it made the neck underbowed.
and the correct tilt will finally get rid of the buzz
then when the buzz is gone, the final correct intonation
Changing string gauge will change the relief.
plus the saddle heights are most likely incorrect
and the neck tilt needs to be set right.
most likely the second guy got the relief really flat
which is good. but now the bridge saddles and neck tilt
are incorrect. and the neck might have relaxed a bit and that ruler
straight neck is now underbowed.
especially if your using lighter strings, and the previous owners
had the saddles and tilt set for heavy strings.
There is a few extra steps that peavey recommends to set the tilt
the neck and bridge saddles are set with standard tuning tension.
And peavey recommends setting the final string height with the
tilt not the saddles. and that is to be done with lower string tension. the saddles are set to adjust to the necks radius
So yes it should be done by someone who actually knows peaveys setup method.
the bass most likely had heavy strings and needed the relief to be set along time ago. Now all the work has been done on it with lighter strings. So the relief is going crazy, and the relation between the saddles and tilt is just whack.
And now everything needs to be done to the string gauge of your choice. Most likely your second guy is smart enough to do it. he needs to see the factory PDF for the tilt.
I think he was actually giving you a really sweet setup, and trying to impress you with ruler straight relief and really nice close action. But it made the neck underbowed.
and the correct tilt will finally get rid of the buzz
then when the buzz is gone, the final correct intonation
Not enough information. What's your relief, string height, and 1st fret gap (fretted)? Did you have any specific requests when undergoing the two previous set-ups (i.e. straight / no relief neck, super low action)? And of course...did you set your witness points?
Riis
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Are you certain you're not mistaking a rattle for fretbuzz? I recently had a tuner that was rattling, and I know that this can sometimes be a little hard to identify. Had a friend who took a vintage jazz bass to 2 teches, both who said his problem was with his truss rod, when all that needed to be done was change a tuner. If it's a rattle as opposed to fretbuzz, it could be other things too. Best way to check tuners is have someone hold them all tightly while you're playing. If the buzz goes away, you know it's one of them.
I'm gonna retract these questions as it appears you don't have much experience in this arena...no offense intended.
Here's a more logical approach:
1) Take it back to the "trusted" tech.
2) Play it yourself in his presence so he can hear the buzz.
3) Ask 3 questions: can you hear the buzz, what's causing the buzz, and can you fix the buzz? You need definitive answers for each (please post!)..."play lightly" doesn't cut it in my book.
Riis
Any REAL tech, and if you are a WALK IN customer, or maybe it can be done by sending close up videp when you ship your guitar if needed; will ask you to play for them, and will examine your technique, and how hard you pluck, and fret the instrument. Then they will ask you what your desires are, action wise. With these realities, there is only so much a tech can do that fits within your style , and desire. Most people like low action, but it's impossible to have low action if you are a hard string striker player. You'll have to settle for lower action, and a technique that works within that, or higher action if you dig in hard enough. Any tech that doesn't ask you to let them observe your playing habits; is not a totally rounded/qualified tech in my opinion. Now if you have to ship the instrument to the tech, and you can't provide video of you playing it; then the tech can only be responsible for doing what you ask of him, within the realistic laws of setups. I am fortunate enough to have Margeurite Pastella of Fret Not Guitar Repair living in my city. She has been honored by many of the major guitar companies for her work on vintage Martins, Gibsons, ect, ect, and she was the first to ask me to sit and play before the setup. She spent 30 minutes sitting straight across from me observing everything, and asking questions about my playing technique history. I knew then that my guitar setup were as important to her as they were to me. I am a heavy hitter on 6 string as well as bass guitars, and she still got my action wonderful, but it could never have been as low as a soft player's action, and still give me the tone that I needed.
John Sr..... Disregard spelling, and punctuation..I'm sorta tired
John Sr..... Disregard spelling, and punctuation..I'm sorta tired
thats the sound of low action. raise the strings. some necks are more prone to that strings slapping against the frets sound even with perfect fretwork. my 74 jazz is a lot more clean sounding with a hard touch than my 78 jazz with the same setup, same level frets,same heavy ash body, same maple board, same strings.
+1
What does it sound like when you are playing it? That video doesn't show anything resembling actual playing.
