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Another Church players topic-Post: amplification

#341
rockstarbassist said:
IEMs are only good if you have a monitor engineer or an Aviom setup. Pre-Avioms for my church, it was a nightmare. Now I'm completely happy.

And I just got a nice SWR Bass 350 for my DI for church usage! :cool:
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That's where I'm at right now.

I may have to get another DI too. Got rid of mine (duh) right before starting to attend the new church. Look for the new thread "Rapco vs. ? " :D
 
#342
jmain said:
That's where I'm at right now.

I may have to get another DI too. Got rid of mine (duh) right before starting to attend the new church. Look for the new thread "Rapco vs. ? " :D
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Yeah my Modulus sounded like a 500 lb. wrestler had a choke-hold on it when plugging into a mid-range passive DI. Bleh.

What's nuts is, every bass preamp I was looking at cost more than most of the heads... :eyebrow: Crazy world. :)
 
#344
Just ran across this thread... I've been playing for both our services at our church for several years - we do a "blended" service first with choir and orchestra and then a "contemporary" service with band and vocal team. (I actually learned to play bass in the same church by playing with youth "musicals" a LONG time ago!). We went to Avioms a while back and they are great - the only issue I have is that the sound guy uses different mix presets for each service and I have to readjust all my levels for the contemporary service. A minor quibble as long as I have time to get good levels set... a major quibble when we play with a click track and I suddenly can't hear it. :eek:

No amp for me - I go direct to PA through a Sansamp Bass DI and then into a Raven Labs MDB DI. About a year ago I went from Sony MDR cans to Westone UM2 dual-driver in-ears with custom ear molds...absolutely love them, all the low end I could want.

Our PA has EAW speaks and subs, so sound quality is potentially pretty good. Then we go and ruin everything with a set of Roland electro-drums. :mad: The new young worship leader is adding his voice to my long-time rant about needing real drums with a shield to improve the sound.
 
#345
drgregn said:
Just ran across this thread... I've been playing for both our services at our church for several years - we do a "blended" service first with choir and orchestra and then a "contemporary" service with band and vocal team. (I actually learned to play bass in the same church by playing with youth "musicals" a LONG time ago!). We went to Avioms a while back and they are great - the only issue I have is that the sound guy uses different mix presets for each service and I have to readjust all my levels for the contemporary service. A minor quibble as long as I have time to get good levels set... a major quibble when we play with a click track and I suddenly can't hear it. :eek:

No amp for me - I go direct to PA through a Sansamp Bass DI and then into a Raven Labs MDB DI. About a year ago I went from Sony MDR cans to Westone UM2 dual-driver in-ears with custom ear molds...absolutely love them, all the low end I could want.

Our PA has EAW speaks and subs, so sound quality is potentially pretty good. Then we go and ruin everything with a set of Roland electro-drums. :mad: The new young worship leader is adding his voice to my long-time rant about needing real drums with a shield to improve the sound.
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Avioms + Westone UM2s = Nice! What I use weekly.
 
#346
I play approximately bi-weekly in a small church (approx. 300 people) with horrible acoustics and a small PA. I've recently bought a Markbass LM-250 (loving it!!) along with probably the last Yamaha BBT-110 cabinet available in the Netherlands. The combination is more than loud enough(volume stays below 9 o'clock), ultra portable (schlep it around once to twice a week), nice sound and a very convincing bottom, especially for the size of rig. Sound fits in way better than some time ago with an SWR grand prix pre, pa power amp and SWR bigfoot 2x12. The combination really brings out the Fender Jazz sound.
 
#349
bassbrock said:
Wha? Our drummer uses the Roland TD20 series and it sounds absolutely *fantastic*
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Maybe we need to get your drummer over to set our kit up, then. :D

The best I've ever heard ours sound is just "OK". To be fair, I think part of the problem is that the sound guy has so far refused to put any compression on the kick drum. But the whole set too often sounds like a toy kit when I'm not playing and sitting out listening, though.
 
#350
rockstarbassist said:
Yeah my Modulus sounded like a 500 lb. wrestler had a choke-hold on it when plugging into a mid-range passive DI. Bleh.

What's nuts is, every bass preamp I was looking at cost more than most of the heads... :eyebrow: Crazy world. :)
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Between the passive DI and the thin sound I get from the soundman, I just keep a silent prayer going the whole time.:)

The DI's are pretty expensive. I've tried a few that were decently priced, but didn't like them too much.


OrionManMatt said:
SSI DI
Radial JDI
PreSonus Tube Pre

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I'm gonna look at some DI's pretty soon. I think it will benefit my other gigs as well.
 
#351
bassbrock said:
Wha? Our drummer uses the Roland TD20 series and it sounds absolutely *fantastic*
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It's cool sometimes to EQ up a big phat tom-tom and bass sound.

I also play drums every once in a while in our P&W team and have spent some time playing the top of the line Roland V-drums (which our other drummer also owns). We both prefer an acoustic kit. We both also play in a jazz ensemble (I play fretless bass) and he never brings his electronic kit to those gigs. There are many things (like brushes, fine cymbal work etc.) that you just cannot do with an electronic kit that you can with a good acoustic kit.

To keep volume in check I've switched over to the Lightning Rods instead of sticks and have encouraged the younger drummers around our church to do the same.
 
#352
For Sundays I use 3 different basses, Tobias Toby Pro, Warwick Corvette, and my Ibanez 6 string fretless, depending on the song and the worship leader. I plug into my own GK 700 rbII with an Alesis compressor and a BBE Sonic Maximizer going through the effects loop. Then that gets plugged into an Avatar 212.

The sound man doesn't let me plug into the system since he says that the house speakers don't push that low of a frequency so that 212 is my monitor, everyone else's monitor, and the only output that anyone can hear me out of. Please pray for our sound guy. He just doesn't understand the role that bass plays in the band.
 
#353
drgregn said:
Our PA has EAW speaks and subs, so sound quality is potentially pretty good. Then we go and ruin everything with a set of Roland electro-drums. :mad: The new young worship leader is adding his voice to my long-time rant about needing real drums with a shield to improve the sound.
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We use electronic drums too. I would prefer an acoustic kit as well but but sometimes the acoustics of the room make that a difficult task even with a plexi screen. Your sound guys are responsible for making the electronic kit sound good.

One thing we did do though is go to regular cymbles. We use a Yamaha DTX Extreme II system. everything about the kit is quite good with the exception of the cymble triggers. After fighting with them for over a year we switched to regular cymbles and just mike them. Works great.
 
#354
srxplayer said:
We use electronic drums too. I would prefer an acoustic kit as well but but sometimes the acoustics of the room make that a difficult task even with a plexi screen. Your sound guys are responsible for making the electronic kit sound good.

One thing we did do though is go to regular cymbles. We use a Yamaha DTX Extreme II system. everything about the kit is quite good with the exception of the cymble triggers. After fighting with them for over a year we switched to regular cymbles and just mike them. Works great.
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One thing we did to improve our electronic drums is patch them through a BBE and a 32 band EQ... makes 'em sound 10x better than by themselves. Also add a bit of reverb inside the TD20 drum module to open them up a bit.
 

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