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Any relation...Behringer/Ashdown???

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dannyboy15 said:
Do you know this from experience? Because I've had a totally different experience with mine.
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Quote refers to my post "To save money internally, the BX3000 is a very poor amplifier. You get what you pay for and there is a reason their so cheap! "

I bought a Behringer BX3000 bass head in January and had nothing but great things to say about it. I subsequently got a Behringer power mixer as a PA.

I was a little annoyed as I emailed Behringer on a warranty registration issue, which was ignored. Then I emailed with a question on the amp. An auto reply stated I could expect an answer soon; that was 7 months ago...

All was fine until my band was getting ready to do a gig and black smoke billowed out of my BX3000. No sooner did I shut it off than I noticed a puff of white smoke emanating from my Behringer PA head.

I thought it was "bad power" but the other amplifiers (2 x Marshall 50w combos and a Peavey 60w keyboard amp) in use from the same power source were unaffected.

Behringer's policy towards warranty repairs were the same as toward my other two inquiries: IGNORE THE CUSTOMER.

After ignoring their warranty obligation to me for months. The dealer (Steve's Music, Toronto) gave me a credit for 100% of my purchase price.

Needless to say, I have no faith in Behringer and will discourage anyone considering purchasing Behringer products to avoid them like the plague.
 
#122
rcz said:
iand all of this because people refuse to live within their means. because they refuse to bear responsibility for their choices. because they don't want to make a choice between cable TV and a bass.

no one has a right to cable, heat, a computer, electricity, water, a cell phone, or even a landline phone. we choose to spend our money on these things. after all of that, not having money for bass gear does not justify making an unethical decision, whether you have zero or ten children.

you live by the choices you make. don't cry to me about how expensive gear is. make it a priority if that's what you truly want to own.

robb.
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PLEASE don't tell me how to spend my money. I repeat my money. I am living by my choices and have some pretty decent gear that has not given me an ounce of trouble and I did not have to take out a 2nd mortgage.
 
#123
Minimalist said:
I find the “Behringer is the devil” attitude very biased. First if Behringer’s practices were illegal do you really think they would get away with it? A company that is capable of setting up a production line in China is certainly capable of hiring an attorney..
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FWIW, Mackie sued Behringer a few years ago for patent infringement and won a tidy settlement. The downside: the expenses of the litigation were staggering, and virtually bankrupted Mackie . . . I'm sure QSC, Ashdown, and Hartke would LOVE to sue the socks off of Behringer, but its just plain too costly for these companies to do so.
 
#124
Minimalist said:
Second, who’s to decide what’s ethical or not? Is it ethical to buy a $2,000 instrument/amp or whatever while kids are starving? Behringer is obviously using loopholes. Millions of taxpayers are doing that every day. And if manufacturers don’t choose to protect their designs etc. oh well…..
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YOU ARE. Using a value system you have developed from interaction with parents, friends, people of influence, strangers and, most importantly, life experience. Your question implies that the other forumites are somehow not qualified to give their opinion of Behringer's business practices because they are not a known authority on ethics. Using that logic, neither are you.

I'm glad that I don't make my ethical decisions based on the conscience of millions of taxpayers. But, hey! Everybody's doing it! it must be OK!
 
#126
Robear22 said:
So no one on here has never done anything unethical besides buying some Behringer gear? Please don't throw stones if you live in a glass house. :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:
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That wasn't the point of my post. I was stating that I believe everyone here is qualified to question (or praise) Behringer's practices. Ethics being somewhat subjective and all, I guess that what you might consider a glass house is rock-solid to me.
 
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That is what this forum is all about. Being subjective. What bothers me is when people say that you buying or supporting something that is unethical making you unethical and that is painting with a broad brush. Freedom of choice. I can't make you buy this or that just because I don't like it. You can express yourself and how you feel about Behringer but open your eyes to both sides of the fence. ;) ;) ;)
 
#128
mike_v_s said:
That wasn't the point of my post. I was stating that I believe everyone here is qualified to question (or praise) Behringer's practices. Ethics being somewhat subjective and all, I guess that what you might consider a glass house is rock-solid to me.
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I was not judging anyone, because I’m not an authority on ethics. But I also don't want to be judged. And in contrary to your believes my ethical house is not “rock-solid” but constantly changing and I’m constantly reevaluating my position.
 
#130
Robear22 said:
PLEASE don't tell me how to spend my money. I repeat my money. I am living by my choices and have some pretty decent gear that has not given me an ounce of trouble and I did not have to take out a 2nd mortgage.
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actually, i didn't tell you how to spend your money. i didn't tell you to do anything, other than not to cry to me about how expensive gear is.

i can't force you to do anything. and i won't tell you to do anything. however, i will try to demonstrate the logical errors in your arguments. if you think behringer is doing the wrong thing, you are not exonerated from encouraging them to continue simply because you ran out of money by setting your priorities.

robb.
 
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Eric Moesle said:
FWIW, Mackie sued Behringer a few years ago for patent infringement and won a tidy settlement. The downside: the expenses of the litigation were staggering, and virtually bankrupted Mackie . . . I'm sure QSC, Ashdown, and Hartke would LOVE to sue the socks off of Behringer, but its just plain too costly for these companies to do so.
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Where is Mackie today?
 
#136
rcz said:
concept: achieving market share

detail: how

illumination: there is a significant difference in developing your own iteration of a concept and copying, detail for detail, someone else's iteration.

i continue to illustrate the difference and you continue on not acknowledging (or worse, not comprehending).

robb.
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Dude, do you have blinders on or what? Your argument against Behringer would be much more convincing if you stopped trying to defend Jazz bass clones.

Also, try a pinch of courtesy.
 
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