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Any relation...Behringer/Ashdown???

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Nick man said:
Buy used and make that a $500 purchase that turns into a $1000. ;)
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And exactly how does the original designer of said used amp profit from a "second sale"? They will not see a penny from this; in that regard, it is no different from a Behringer purchase.

And if it goes belly-up on him, with no warranty, he's hosed.

Nick man said:
Im just saying you should take those guys who designed the gear into consideration.
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I think he did. He considered it; he arrived at the conclusion that he couldn't afford it. At that point, the "guys who designed the gear" weren't going to make any money from Robear. No matter what.

BTW, NickMan, I hope you're posting by using a real $1500 IBM or Mac, one that you saved up for, and not one of those $300 "clones".... :)
 
#84
Working musician (only thing he/she does to earn a living) but not a rich one. Just makes enough to pay the bills. Amp goes down, only has $200 to spend for a replacement and next gig is that evening. Personal rules dictate always buy new. Not comfortable buying used and nothing really decent used is available anyway. What do you do?
 
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DWBass said:
Working musician (only thing he/she does to earn a living) but not a rich one. Just makes enough to pay the bills. Amp goes down, only has $200 to spend for a replacement and next gig is that evening. Personal rules dictate always buy new. Not comfortable buying used and nothing really decent used is available anyway. What do you do?
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Rent?? I don't think $200 wil buy a decent new amp for a working musician.
 
#86
BTW - I own one piece of Behringer gear - a 24 channel mixing console for gigs where I supply the PA. I'm not sure whether or not it is a copy of someone else's design, but I use it sparingly, and could not afford to buy a similar featured board at 3 times the price. It works allright, but somewhere down the road I will upgrade it.
 
#89
i really cant see the disrespect for behringer...they're doing what their aiming to do "provide quiality gear at an affordable price" unlike other brands who claim this which still cost top dollar for..i mean who gives a rats if their design is a copy, its not putting the origional manufacturer out of buisness, if behringer copies one peice of line6 gear,who's to say its going to sell more than the line6 and that one bit of gear aint gonna put line 6 out of buinessness, im sure they have other products..

and what gets to me, is that behringer can put out a $500aus amp when ashdown are putting out the same at 3 times the price, it makes me wonder, am i really paying for what im getting in a brand name product, or am i really paying for the product itself
 
#90
I have been watching this site for a few months and have fell in love with it. The various opinions and ideas are as diverse as the many bass players that frequent its pages. That is the one thing about this site that stands out. It is all subjective. I have played on low end gear and I have played and owned some high end products when I was single and a bachelor. Times change and the quality of gear has changed. Used or new you can get some good stuff out there.
 
#91
Fun Thread! :D

Well, here's my take on it. If a design is copyrighted and the owner of the design allows and/or licenses another company to copy it, it's all good. If the copyright or patent has run out (i think they eventually do) and another company copies the now "public" design, so be it. However, if one company develops and patents a design and another company blatently copies it, then there's a problem. Legally the developing company should be able to take action as their patent was violated. As a person who is pretty libertarian, i dont see that it should matter how "powerful" the two companies are, if a copyright is violated, a theft has occured. That's what government is supposed to be there for - protecting the rights of individuals from aggression. As a consumer, it seems to be more of an ethical decision. And as this thread makes clear, we all have our own takes on it.
 
#93
IvanMike said:
However, if one company develops and patents a design and another company blatently copies it, then there's a problem. Legally the developing company should be able to take action as their patent was violated.
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That's what I'd expect. Just guessing but if the copy is that blatant they might have a deal for the use that includes an agreement to keep their mouths shut to not dilute Ashdowns name value. Or Ashdown might be based on other designs so much they don't have any ownership to claim or have licensed designs themselves. If they use the exact same PCB a copyright suit should be rather easy if used without a deal of somekind.

Or on the other hand Ashdown may just be getting shafted and decided it's not worth it to fight in court ;)
 
#97
Five pages without being locked down has got to be a record for a Behringer thread!
Those guys cracking the beer kegs must be plastered by now. :D

Here's the score as I see it so far:

Behringer Cons:

*Copied the layout of a particular QSC corporation budget model chinese manufactured amp and part of the instruction manual for that amp.

*Copy everything they can get their hands on that they consider a good design and alter it just enough to avoid lawsuit. Possibly POD - Ashdown etc??

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Behringer Pros:

* They make available cheap, reasonable quality equipment that most people on a budget can afford. ( In my country, you can buy four ~ five behringers for what it would cost to buy one the original that it was based on. Makes you wonder how they can do that when the original product was made in China too.)

* Their low prices introduce market competition that helps to eliminate profiteering. Good for poor musicians, not so good for some others.

* They create jobs for third world economies that would not otherwise exist.

* They do have products that they have designed themselves, they just don't get talked about.

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#98
remember that behringer used to be a high quality, upper price brand many a year ago, but i spose they decided that they werent gonna be around for much longer if they kept their products and prices the way they are....

but talkbass is the only place where i hear behringer thrashing, and im sure half of you who are bashing behringer havent actually had any experience with the gear they are bashing, me, ive had a behringer practise amp the last 3 years and it hasnt skipped a beat, after almost daily use, minimum of 2 hours at a time, and i know many people who use behringer gear and love it and have had no problems, even people who have ditched fender twin amps for the v-ampire amp.....

but if players like alphonso johnson and helmut hatter endorse the v-amp, it makes you wonder, also since they designed most of the patches on the unit
 
#99
Behringer threads are like political threads. We can debate and argue until we are blue in the face, but in the end, some people walk away pissed off and very few, if any, minds are changed on the subject.
 
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