Perhaps in the Southern Hemisphere. Up here, putting a 4x10 on the bottom would sound really awful.
(it's gonna be a another snarkfest, so may as well have some fun with it)
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Any Rules For Mixing Cabinets?
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(it's gonna be a another snarkfest, so may as well have some fun with it)
Perhaps in the Southern Hemisphere. Up here, putting a 4x10 on the bottom would sound really awful.
(it's gonna be a another snarkfest, so may as well have some fun with it)
you need to remember we play standing on our heads
This is going to sound like Captain Obvious, except somehow people miss this. When you want to make changes to your gear, you first need to know what changes you are actually looking for, and then figure out the best way to get them.
It sounds like you just want to add a cab for the hell of it. Your kid is 15, he's probably not playing Madison Cube Garden any time soon. So a low/mid powered head and cheap 4x10 are probably fine for any situation he might find himself in, especially considering the probable gear of his peers (15w SS practice amps, etc...). So he's probably fine with what he has.
But if you want to be super dad and get him something with more volume/better tone, just go out and find an SWR Goliath (III or IV). They can be had for about $300-400 or so. GC will always have some that you can have shipped to your closest store. They are an industry standard for a reason. They sound great, they have high sensitivity (seriously it's like 105db or something insane like that, meaning you get a lot of volume with very little power), and they handle a bunch of power (not a big factor now, but it means it will be nearly indestructable with your kid's crate amp unless he cranks the volume and the bass, which will sound like crap anyway).
So maybe upgrade to that for his next birthday or Christmas or he does a bunch of chores. Then for the next round you can look at upgrading the amp. The field is a lot wider there so I won't make any specific suggestions right now. But that crate head should at least sound pretty decent through the swr cab. And then you just have ONE big heavy cab to worry about instead of 2.
Getting a crappy 15 to add to a crappy 4x10 is not really going to add much of anything, except stuff to carry and squeeze into the car. The benefits of "mixing" are mainly either in the economy of it, or if you are designing a highly customized system for a specific goal. It doesn't sound like either of those are what you're going for. So I would either upgrade to the SWR or something very similar, or just hold what ya got for a while (if I was the dad in this situation I would say "you can either work for it or you can get it for your birthday", etc...).
It sounds like you just want to add a cab for the hell of it. Your kid is 15, he's probably not playing Madison Cube Garden any time soon. So a low/mid powered head and cheap 4x10 are probably fine for any situation he might find himself in, especially considering the probable gear of his peers (15w SS practice amps, etc...). So he's probably fine with what he has.
But if you want to be super dad and get him something with more volume/better tone, just go out and find an SWR Goliath (III or IV). They can be had for about $300-400 or so. GC will always have some that you can have shipped to your closest store. They are an industry standard for a reason. They sound great, they have high sensitivity (seriously it's like 105db or something insane like that, meaning you get a lot of volume with very little power), and they handle a bunch of power (not a big factor now, but it means it will be nearly indestructable with your kid's crate amp unless he cranks the volume and the bass, which will sound like crap anyway).
So maybe upgrade to that for his next birthday or Christmas or he does a bunch of chores. Then for the next round you can look at upgrading the amp. The field is a lot wider there so I won't make any specific suggestions right now. But that crate head should at least sound pretty decent through the swr cab. And then you just have ONE big heavy cab to worry about instead of 2.
Getting a crappy 15 to add to a crappy 4x10 is not really going to add much of anything, except stuff to carry and squeeze into the car. The benefits of "mixing" are mainly either in the economy of it, or if you are designing a highly customized system for a specific goal. It doesn't sound like either of those are what you're going for. So I would either upgrade to the SWR or something very similar, or just hold what ya got for a while (if I was the dad in this situation I would say "you can either work for it or you can get it for your birthday", etc...).
There you go making sense, being reasonable, and giving good advice in a mixed cab thread on TB.
We can't allow this, I'm reporting you.
A 2x10 on top of a 1-15 looks like a big smiley face. A 15 on top just looks wrong.
Granted increasing watts be decreasing ohms does not provide a linear volume increase; however, the increase in the surface area of the speakers moving air is noticeable. I'm not qualified to give any physical data, but that has been my experience whether adding an additional identical cab or mixing cabs. I've done a 2x10 + 1x15 for the last 20 years with good results. YMMV
Ok, more of a surprised face than a smiley face, but my point was regarding the anthropomorphic nature of the 2x10 on top of the 1x15.whose mouth looks like a 1-15 when they smile?
I agree to a point. My only caveat is that it depends on the particular speakers being used.
The other plus with the Goliaths for a fifteen Y/O is the shiny chrome grill. don't discount SWR SOB's a bit cheaper, lighter and 2 of them get plenty loud
I'll wave to you as you're leaving.
I use a 210XL cabinet with a Hydrive 115. Sounds great in every hall we play in. The cabinet design on the 210 is a passive crossover that rolls off dramatically at about 60hz, but it has a nice hump at about 250hz which adds punch to the 115.
We agree. I just didn't go into that much detail. The combination I used was a Hartke XL Transient Attack 1x15 (aluminum cone) and an SWR Workingman 2x10 with a tweeter.
I pushed them with an Ampeg B2R using a SansAmp rackmount into the aux-in jack on the Ampeg.
The only reason I replaced it was weight and space.
This is boring. We need to find something we disagree on.
Okay. I don't know who you are voting for, but he/she is a useless fool and will destroy the world as we know it.This is boring. We need to find something we disagree on.
Will that work?
Yell at him while snapping a heavy leather belt: Ampeg 8x10 and a back brace or you're going to stick with the flimsy 8 ohm 410 cab!
That has got to be the dumbest thing ever posted on the interwebs. You, sir, are a moron!
And your candidate looks stupid in that pants dress and comb over. He/She is also too old/young and will never get the youth/retired vote. Not to mention the white/black/red/yellow/green vote.
Wow! Now I'm getting into it!
Central KY. I moved here five years ago from Seattle, where I lived 45 years.
