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Anyone else feel like expensive basses are arbitrarily priced?

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Really instruments in general, especially mass produced ones, but also boutique as well.

I don't pretend to know how much it costs each builder to make a bass, but what exactly makes something $2000 vs $4000 vs $10,000? If a guy like Brian Barrett can build the LEJ and sell it for $3,500, what makes a Fedora worth 10 grand? Why is a Sadowsky $4,500 when some of the build is outsourced? And then Roscoe / MTD adds another $2000 on top.

It just makes me wonder when I see these basses that already cost thousands, and then you're presented with options like a different pick guard for $300 or block inlays for $400. This is even worse with some mass produced stuff like Gibson, who will sell the same (low quality) guitar for $1500 more because of some random ornaments.

I'm starting to feel like these instruments are so valued simply because they have high price tags and bring with them 'prestige' due to the name. There's another topic on here about a unique crow-looking bass from a builder in Germany. Even though it is unique and was hand-built over two years, lots of people were scoffing at it due to it costing $5000 and being from a 'no-name builder.' Yet I also see people defending the cost of more expensive boutique builds who come from people who weren't always so well known either.

While I'm sure they are quality instruments, I think the affection is mostly psychological in conjunction with the name on the headstock. My friend swears that the few Gibson LP's he's played just "felt different and better" though he couldn't figure out why. So despite the evidence of shoddy builds, there are people who will love Gibsons no matter what. On the other side of the spectrum, I've seen people say they like their Squier more than their $6000 boutique. Personally, I believe most instruments will sound and play around the same given a proper setup and specs to your liking.
 
Some is basic supply and demand. Some is material cost. Some is labor cost (intricate woodwork takes time). Whether the final product has any more musical merit than a cheaper bass is in the eye of the beholder. There are some expensive boutique basses that sound great to me. There are others where, subjectively, I don't like the tone, but that doesn't negate the work that went into them
 
Instruments are priced at what the consumer is willing to pay. If the instrument is not worth the price tag, people will not buy it and the manufacture will adjust the price accordingly. Its simple economics.

Also with things like vintage instruments, there is only so much of a supply of them and some people prefer their sound/tone/feel. Which is something that cant be replicated today (Because we don't have the same types of metal, the same types of wiring, the same types of finishes etc.) Especially things like Brazilian rosewood fretboard basses.
 
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Furthermore, you see way more of these high dollar basses for sale than you'd think. Doesn't make sense to me. I've never sold one of my instruments, but I don't think I'd start with something that cost several thousand dollars and months of waiting. Must be some perspective I'm not seeing yet.
 
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Instruments are priced at what the consumer is willing to pay. If the instrument is not worth the price tag, people will not buy it and the manufacture will adjust the price accordingly. Its simple economics.

Also with things like vintage instruments, there is only so much of a supply of them and some people prefer their sound/tone/feel. Which is something that cant be replicated toay (Because we don't have the same types of metal, the same types of wiring, the same types of finishes etc.) Especially things like Brazilian rosewood fretboard basses.

Ugh, vintage. People chasing after yesteryear like it was inherently better than what's around now, despite most of it being technically inferior.
 
Really instruments in general, especially mass produced ones, but also boutique as well.

I don't pretend to know how much it costs each builder to make a bass, but what exactly makes something $2000 vs $4000 vs $10,000? If a guy like Brian Barrett can build the LEJ and sell it for $3,500, what makes a Fedora worth 10 grand? Why is a Sadowsky $4,500 when some of the build is outsourced? And then Roscoe / MTD adds another $2000 on top.

It just makes me wonder when I see these basses that already cost thousands, and then you're presented with options like a different pick guard for $300 or block inlays for $400. This is even worse with some mass produced stuff like Gibson, who will sell the same (low quality) guitar for $1500 more because of some random ornaments.

I'm starting to feel like these instruments are so valued simply because they have high price tags and bring with them 'prestige' due to the name. There's another topic on here about a unique crow-looking bass from a builder in Germany. Even though it is unique and was hand-built over two years, lots of people were scoffing at it due to it costing $5000 and being from a 'no-name builder.' Yet I also see people defending the cost of more expensive boutique builds who come from people who weren't always so well known either.

While I'm sure they are quality instruments, I think the affection is mostly psychological in conjunction with the name on the headstock. My friend swears that the few Gibson LP's he's played just "felt different and better" though he couldn't figure out why. So despite the evidence of shoddy builds, there are people who will love Gibsons no matter what. On the other side of the spectrum, I've seen people say they like their Squier more than their $6000 boutique. Personally, I believe most instruments will sound and play around the same given a proper setup and specs to your liking.

No doubt raw material costs are a factor. But in general I'd say you already have the answer, which is, 'because the market will bear it." A more nuanced answer might be "because the market will happily bear it" -- high end basses are as much luxury items as they are precision tools, and it is a quirk of human nature that we will tend to overpay for perceived luxury. One overpays for bragging rights, pride of ownership, because the item is more rare, or simply to say you overspent -- like the $25,000 sunglasses on "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills."
 
Ugh, vintage. People chasing after yesteryear like it was inherently better than what's around now, despite most of it being technically inferior.
It depends. I like 70s specs much more than the American Standards. I bought a 75 Jazz and a 75 AVRI reissue. I sold the AVRI. It played great but sounded just good. The real deal 75 felt better and more importantly sounds incredible. I also have modern basses, a Sadowsky and a G&L. Different basses, different uses.
 
I wouldn't pay more than $2500 for a bass. And that is pushing it. For $2500 it better be Odin's Private Reserve Bass. Seeing as I would never spend more than $2500, I just don't pay attention to, or even contemplate, Foderas or other super spendy basses. Nothing against those basses, but whatever they want to charge is OK by me.
 
Some is basic supply and demand. Some is material cost. Some is labor cost (intricate woodwork takes time). Whether the final product has any more musical merit than a cheaper bass is in the eye of the beholder. There are some expensive boutique basses that sound great to me. There are others where, subjectively, I don't like the tone, but that doesn't negate the work that went into them
This plus whatever the market will bear
 
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Ugh, vintage. People chasing after yesteryear like it was inherently better than what's around now, despite most of it being technically inferior.
Its not inferior. That's your OPINION. Just like its some peoples opinion that old wood sounds better and that the old basses sound better. Its all an opinion. Look at vintage cars, some sell for outrageous prices for not being the fastest cars out there, but I'm sure they are a hell of a lot more fun than a brand new computerized car that drives itself, again another opinion.
 
Ugh, vintage. People chasing after yesteryear like it was inherently better than what's around now, despite most of it being technically inferior.
Best bass I ever played, hands down was a refinished 64 Jazz. Unfortunately, it was 7 grand when I was driving a 1200 buck car. If I'd had 7000, I would have bought it, not because it was vintage, but because it was fabulous
 
I admit that theres something really special about a fodera being expensive. Exclusivity? Maybe. And it drives me really crazy to see fender style basses that go nuts with the price. Like come on, be more expensive then mass produced ones but sometimes it gets ridiculous. (You know what brands I'm talking about)

The price of vintage instruments, in my opinion, is all about their reselling value. If their sound is what you're looking for, then who the hell cares if the screws or tuners or pick guard or w/e is original or not. Nonetheless, all-original cost WAY more then non ones, regardless if the sound is similar.


IMHO
 
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